DR18
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argonne
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Beautiful cap! =D>
I think I agree with DR18, IX AK, Parchim.
Tony seems to have made some mistakes in his color chart. He mentioned there two time the DR18 with two different colors. No DR17 (Ludwigslust, also IX AK) is mentioned in his chart...And he also wrote the DR18 belongs to the VIII AK [-X
Philippe
I think I agree with DR18, IX AK, Parchim.
Tony seems to have made some mistakes in his color chart. He mentioned there two time the DR18 with two different colors. No DR17 (Ludwigslust, also IX AK) is mentioned in his chart...And he also wrote the DR18 belongs to the VIII AK [-X
Philippe
Completely failed to notice that.. 
Chip Minx
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The cockades look artificially aged. The "brown" stuff on the white portion of the cockades is also on the thread. Shoe polish? They may be repainted and this process was used to hide the new condition of the paint. The paint doesn't appear to have the normal brittleness that tends to pop off in pieces. Also, the paint job seems a bit irregular. These are just impressions from what I can see. Perhaps it looks different in person.
They're getting quite good at reproducing these and without it in hand, you just have to go with your gut feeling. I'm somewhat suspicious, but perhaps that is just my nature. :-k
Chip
They're getting quite good at reproducing these and without it in hand, you just have to go with your gut feeling. I'm somewhat suspicious, but perhaps that is just my nature. :-k
Chip
poniatowski
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Some good observations here. On the national cockade, did they use red thread, or was that painted over? It's difficult to tell from the photos. (this is why I don't buy caps... I don't know squat abut them)
Ron
Ron
Pionier
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You scared me guys. I started checking all my field caps 
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Three of them had National cockade sewn with red thread and the Prussian one with black thread. So, maybe it is not unusual?
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Three of them had National cockade sewn with red thread and the Prussian one with black thread. So, maybe it is not unusual?
RON
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The Reichs Kokarden were always sewn with red thread ex-factory... Some caps were later repaired and thread color depended on field availibilty. There was also a small square piece of red cloth placed between the Reichs Kokarden and the backing to avoid other colors contrasting with the red center between the thread wholes:
You can also clearly spot it in this cap of yours:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/cap-3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And this one too I think:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/cap-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You can also clearly spot it in this cap of yours:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/cap-3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And this one too I think:
http://pommerschespionier.com/index.php/collection/feldgrau-headgear/cap-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pionier
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Ron, thanks for your tip.
I am aware about these small pieces of cloth between the the cockades. Three of my caps have these small piece of material, but not as on yours red and white. I have only one piece of red :-k and a black piece of material underneath the Prussian cockade.
I also saw several caps without that piece of material which were original as well. As you said during the war there was no time for details, time pressure and often lack of materials was a main problem.
Back to my latest field cap. I do not exclude that the cockades were replaced but the cap body looks very good to me. The fact that the cockades are not brittle and cracked does not indicate that they are not old. It seems that not all cockades must be brittle and cracked. Cockades from my other caps with material underneath do not have any signs of cracks. I think it depends where and in which environment the cap was stored.
The lack of the Mecklemburg cockade could suggest that in the first instance cap was issued to DR18 (B.A.IX) but during war was given to the one of the other Dragoons Regiments, DR6, DR14 or DR19, which has same black colour of the band and piping. I will stay with the conclusion
There are visible moth holes on the one side of the cap and the black band one the other side is dirty from the same "brown stuff".
It is possibility that maybe cockades were replaced but I assume that it is a Dragoner field cap
I am aware about these small pieces of cloth between the the cockades. Three of my caps have these small piece of material, but not as on yours red and white. I have only one piece of red :-k and a black piece of material underneath the Prussian cockade.
I also saw several caps without that piece of material which were original as well. As you said during the war there was no time for details, time pressure and often lack of materials was a main problem.
Back to my latest field cap. I do not exclude that the cockades were replaced but the cap body looks very good to me. The fact that the cockades are not brittle and cracked does not indicate that they are not old. It seems that not all cockades must be brittle and cracked. Cockades from my other caps with material underneath do not have any signs of cracks. I think it depends where and in which environment the cap was stored.
The lack of the Mecklemburg cockade could suggest that in the first instance cap was issued to DR18 (B.A.IX) but during war was given to the one of the other Dragoons Regiments, DR6, DR14 or DR19, which has same black colour of the band and piping. I will stay with the conclusion
There are visible moth holes on the one side of the cap and the black band one the other side is dirty from the same "brown stuff".
It is possibility that maybe cockades were replaced but I assume that it is a Dragoner field cap
