EHRENRANGLISTEN 1875-1880, HELP NEEDED FOR ANOTHER VON HOBE!

argonne

argonne

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Gentlemen,
I am opening this thread for a german collector friend who also had the luck to purchase a beautiful untouched Reserve-Offizier Haube from exactly the same estate as the Landwehr-Kavallerie-helmet I could purchase myself and share on this forum at following thread:

http://www.pickelhaubes.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8036" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First, I would like to present this helmet with the kind allowance of my collector friend:













My friend and I are both assuming that this helmet has also been worn by a member of the von Hobe family, because of the found circonstances.
I think you will also agree this helemt has been worn between 1875-1880 by a OYV who turned after his one year duty into a Reserve Offizier. Unfortunately I only own some Ehrenranglisten from 1902 up to 1918, so I can´t help my friend there.
Glenn, maybe you are owning the required documents of this period. I also don´t know if Reserve-offiziere are mentioned there, but we are hoping so!
After my own research, I am thinking the wearer could only be one of those following guys who all were brothers of Baron Bertram von Hobe (1849-1911), the wearer of my Landwehr-Kavallerie-helmet:

- Konrad von Hobe (1851-14.11.1915)
- Hermann von Hobe (1854-????)
- Ludwig von Hobe ( 18.02.1855-24.09.1900)
- Siegfried von Hobe ( 09.10.1856-14.11.1930)

Glenn, maybe those four names and dates can help you to determine the guy in question.
Thank you in advance for your precious help!

Philippe
 
Gents, no possibilities or ideas to track one of those four guys? :eek: Maybe holiday time?
My thought was the eventuality of a " lucky elimination process", meaning that maybe some of the guys over there have done their duty in a cavalry or artillery unit, so we could find out the real owner or even reduce the possibilities to make out the unit of this Reserve- or eventually Landwehr-Infanterie-Offizier.
Thank you Guys, I´am still hoping that some of you has the possibilities and the documents to do that! :wink:

Philippe
 
Philippe,

if you are of the opinion that the helmet was worn by a Reserve officer between 1875 and 1880, then none of the v. Hobe
family members fit. All the officers of that name were cavalry officers with the exception of an active Foot Guards officer. In 1885, however a Sekonde-Lieutenant der Reserve v. Hobe appears in Schleswigsches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 84. He retired as a Premier-Lieutenant der Landwehr in 1895 in Landwehr Bezirk I Altona. He was a Regierungs-Assessor in civilian life.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glenn,
First, many thanks again for your help!
I was just assuming that this helmet must have been worn between 1875-1880, because of the birth dates of those four officers von Hobe, all brothers of Bertram which helmet was also found at the same estate. I also assumed that the wearer could only be from the von Hobe Gelting (Schleswig-Holstein) family branch. I only have at the moment the genealogy tree from the von Hobe who lived and are living at the Gelting estate.
But I know that there also was and there still is a von Hobe family branch in the Hamburg area.
However, the Schleswigsches JR84 Sekonde-Lieutenant der Reserve seems to make sense in this case, the only von Hobe at this period in a classic line infantry unit. Obviously a family member of the Hamburg family branch who choose to make his duty as a OYV in the region of the main family estate of Gelting. The city of Schleswig is only 25 kms far from the Gelting family estate. After his duty, it seems he went back again to Hamburg, because he was affiliated to the Landwehr Bezirk I in Altona, a suburb in the North of Hamburg city.
Glenn, I presume the birth date of this "JR84 von Hobe" and his first name was not mentioned?
I think he must have been then born at about 1860-1865...
Thank you,
Philippe
 
Hi Phiippe,

when I think about it; it is possible that he could be one of your named officers. Assuming he was around 40 years old when he retired from Landwehr service, he would have been born in 1855. It was not that unusual for a reserve or Landwehr officer to be commissioned as late as 29 or 30 years of age.

Regierungs-Assessor v. Hobe is listed in the Altona Adreßbuch as late as 1897 but with no first name given. :(

I shall keep looking!

Regards
Glenn
 
Phillipe,

update: The IR 84 and later Regierungs-Assessor was Siegfried v. Hobe. He was a Regierungs-Rat in Cöln in 1914.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glenn,
Ok, now it finally seems to make sense. :wink: This Siegfried von Hobe of the JR84 is one of the four guys that I named over there in my first post, born on the 09.10.1856, the youngest brother of Bertram von Hobe, Baron von Gelting, wearer of my Landwehr Kavallerie helmet.
If we admit (as Joe wrote in his OYV article) that those OYV´s were first commissioned at the age of 27/28, this would totally match in this case. Siegfried would have been commissioned to a Sekond-Leutnant as you already wrote in the year 1885. He was then....28 or maybe 29 :D

It makes also sense regarding the found circonstances and place in Burg Unkel near Bonn, if this guy was in the Regierung 1914 in Cöln. As I already wrote in my topic about my Bertram von Hobe´s Landwehr Kavallerie helmet, the owner of Burg Unkel was the Jurist Carl Trimborn (1854-1921). Carl Trimborn was Stadtverordneter in Cöln (1894-1913). Er also was a Abgeordneter in the Reichstag (1896-1918) with electoral district in Cöln1, later Cöln5:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Trimborn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Together with those two marriages between family Trimborn and family von Hobe, this is a pretty cool additional link between those two families that explains the place of found. Siegfried von Hobe and Carl trimborn were from the same generation and both had a political job in Cöln at the same period.

Glenn, thank you one more time (especially in the name of my german collector friend), you are simply fantastic in your way of researching!! Respect!!! :thumb up:

Philippe
 
Wow, that's really impressive research and very interesting too!

Philippe, what is the white on the plate? The residue form some polish or similar?

:D Ron
 
Ron,
Because I still did not have myself the helmet in my own hands (my friend is living near Magdeburg, a few hundred kms from the danish border), I can´t tell you exactly. A sure thing, this helmet has not been touched for decades and found as on the pict. I will ask him! :wink:

Philippe
 
Thanks Philippe.

I threw a low-ball bid on this one as well, thinking it was interesting. I'm glad it's where it's truly appreciated and researched!

:D Ron
 
Ron,
I asked my friend and he told me this is definitely not some residue form from polish.It looks like some not appropriate storage oxydation, but only on one wing. All the four helmets were for decades in a wooden trunk, but who knows how they laid in it? Maybe this helmet laid in the dampest and coldest edge of the trunk? A sort of condensation point in this trunkarea... :?:

Philippe
 
How odd, considering nothing on the shell is affected. Maybe the plate was off of the helmet in the trunk? Who knows. Still a cool helmet.

:D Ron
 
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