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Tomitchoe

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Hi guys,

Stumbled onto this little thing. Just your thoughts on this. My expertise on ersatz is not that high ? Didn't buy it yet.... If its good thinking about it.









Greetz

Tom
 
I don't have a definitive answer for you, but by the sewn leather trim around the visors & that stamp, this looks like an English repro from the '70's, I beleive if you search the forums one member has posted pics of a similiar one he was burned on a while back.

I would wait until you have more responses here before bidding.

Geo
 
I agree with George, most opinions are that these are reproductions, although, we had one member from Germany who claimed that these could have been post war police helmets.
Gus
 
It is a downright fake!!! :x

I have one exactly like it. Run away from these as fast as you can. Joe has pictures of mine on his website. Scroll down to the section, "Fake Felt:"

http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/Fakes.htm

Chas.
 
Don't touch it with a barge pole!!!!

The most obvious giveaway is the bright green stitching (on edge trim) and the sharp edge on the perimeter of chinstrap side-posts. There are a lot of these being traded around the UK by dealers who seem to have somewhat less 'knowledge' or 'selective knowledge' than we do!

Think about it.........the felt helmets were introduced in 1914 partially due to extreeme shortages of leather due to the Royal Navy's blockage of shipping. Question; why waste leather, labour etc., on fitting a fancy edge trim? - In my collection I have six "fitzhelms" (felt body helmets) - five have no edge trims, although one (Saxon 103rd Reg.) has a brass front peak trim and vented rear spine - this being an early varient.

Hope this is of help, as one thing I can't stand is crooked dealers!!!

Regards,

Martin.
 
Mart Vear said:
the felt helmets were introduced in 1914 partially due to extreeme shortages of leather due to the Royal Navy's blockage of shipping.
Martin.
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Hey Martin,
I believe that this has been pretty much disproven, the reason that the Germans used the felt helmets was due to the time it took to make the leather helmets, not a shortage of leather. If the shortage had been the reason, it is unlikely that the M1915 would have been made of leather. It was when the M1915 helmets became available, that the Filtz helms were pretty much discontinued. That is why most Filtz have Brass fittings, as the shortages had not been felt by German industry yet.
Best wihses
Gus
 
If you go to the same article that has Chas' pictures of the shako -- I added a bunch of pictures of fake R22 helmets. These are older fakes but I think rather instructive. They are also filz with a leather like trim all the way around.
http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/Fakes.htm

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Definately a reproduction. Do not purchase this. I still have mine a Prussian M15. It serves as a lesson evry time I look at it. The liner leather is another give away. Brian
 
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