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Fiber dome and non-brass scales?
 
Guys, how could this be a wartime/M1915 helmet if the chinscales and spike (+ the cockades sometimes) aren't removeable?
 
RON said:
Guys, how could this be a wartime/M1915 helmet if the chinscales and spike (+ the cockades sometimes) aren't removeable?
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Looks like the spike isn't removable. The chin scales seem to be non removable. also the fashion during 1915 at the time for officer helmets would have had a more protruding star fixture.

With mismatched patina it seems obvious to me to be a parts helmet.
 
It´s not a M15 helmet, sure, but it could have even been produced late 1914 or beginning 1915 (wartime), as brass was more needed for munition than for helmets.
Philippe
 
weirdpyramid said:
With mismatched patina it seems obvious to me to be a parts helmet.
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I must diasagree. On such wartime helmets, it´s pretty common to see such gilt wash down, especially on those special parts as chinscales and spike base. Consequences of brass lack and cheap metal Ersatz with very thin gilding.

Philippe
 
If I understand correctly, the wartime conditions created two situations:
1) officer helmets with lower-than-usual quality fittings (base metal scales, spikes) with a less-durable gilded finish
2) the true M15 officer helmet with M91 side posts (and scales to match) and a detaching spike mounted on a "knob"-topped base

Right?
 
pointystuff said:
If I understand correctly, the wartime conditions created two situations:
1) officer helmets with lower-than-usual quality fittings (base metal scales, spikes) with a less-durable gilded finish
2) the true M15 officer helmet with M91 side posts (and scales to match) and a detaching spike mounted on a "knob"-topped base
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IMO that´s a good understanding.
But even some of the "true M15 officer helmets" had such lower quality fittings.

Philippe
 
I always thought that fiber shell helmets were black all of the way through (made of a solid black material or fused layers of the same), but this evidently isn't the case with this one. Were some fiber helmets layered, black / tan / black? Or is this something that's more rare?

My thoughts are that this is in pretty rough condition; especially that blah liner it's pretty pricey, although to me it seems to all fit together in spite of the condition issues.

So, any thoughts on the fiber construction?

:D Ron
 
I had the remains of a Bavarian helmet with a leather dome and what seemed to be fiber visor/neckguard pieces which were black on the outside and tan on the underside.
 
pointystuff said:
I had the remains of a Bavarian helmet with a leather dome and what seemed to be fiber visor/neckguard pieces which were black on the outside and tan on the underside.
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Interesting! Anyway, this one looks black on the inside... Could it be a type of heat formed / pressed cardboard? I really don't know.

:D Ron
 
Black interior. Lining tattered. Multi-piece kokarden (inner circles separating). Large front protruding Guard plate (with enamel centered starburst). Never dis-assembled. Corrosion (uneven with some looking a little brassy, some a little silver, and some just corroded) scales. I think buyer over-paid, but untouched and no replaced parts.

Fury out
 
SgtFury said:
Black interior. Lining tattered. Multi-piece kokarden (inner circles separating). Large front protruding Guard plate (with enamel centered starburst). Never dis-assembled. Corrosion (uneven with some looking a little brassy, some a little silver, and some just corroded) scales. I think buyer over-paid, but untouched and no replaced parts.

Fury out
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Agreed.

:D Ron
 
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