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09fritz2547

09fritz2547

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Here are some pictures of a helmet a friend has. We wonder about the configuration of the helmet, a high quality wartime production (!) by Awes Marke. Helmet is plated steel or another metal. Now the question is how to match this helmet, stepped visor, officer's cockades and lining. EM eagle with golden crown, one would think a typical Fähnrich helmet. But then there is that peculiar helmet plate: no white colour behind the SUUM CUIQUE, red copper behind the black eagle and NO Vaterlandbandeau????
Can anyone please help identify this helmet?

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Was the Vaterlandbandeau then some sort of award or did the candidate receive a permission to wear it after having passed his degree? I can't find anything on this subject.

Johan
 
I'm going by what I saw in an old House of Swords catalogue many years ago. Joe (Walters) was a great person to deal with, but his descriptions were sometimes a bit off the mark. That's why I said to wait for the more authoritative people on this forum to offer opinions.
On the General discussion forum is a post on the Kavalrie Museum in Germany... maybe email some photos to them?

:D Ron
 
Very good suggestion, I'll get in contact with them. Thank you for the information! If I have news, I'll post it here. Do other members have an idea?

Johan
 
I have seen a example of this before in one of my books but it will take me a little bit of time to go through all 100+ or so of them before I find it. Maybe in a Kube catalogue possibly?
 
That would certainly explain the (original) absence of enamel on the center of the plate, but the Vaterlandbandeau?

Johan
 
It must have something to do with the rank/function/status of the wearer. Even a post-war helmet (do these even exist?) would have enameled/painted white behind the Suum Cuique motto and the center eagle.

Johan
 
Adler said:
:notworthy: I think Tony's advice is needed...

Adler
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I don't think Tony is on the forum anymore, we will have to do without his knowledge unfortunately I think.

I am still looking into this matter personally, I am very interested in this wappen.
 
I didn't find exactly what I was looking for but I did come up with a little help. The missing Vaterlandbandeau is most likely a sign that it is a reserve helmet(maybe missing its reserve cross or never had one). It is documented in many books that the reserve is without its bandeau. There is good example of one on page 16 of Deutsche Offiziershelme aus der Kaiserzeit Band 2 missing the Vaterlandbandeau but the wappen has its enamel.

Then on page 138 of Head Dress of Imperial Germany 1880-1916 there is a similar wappen for a NCO of the Garde du Corps, missing the enamel and the SUUM CUIQUE seems to be all one piece.

Hope that helps. I know they don't exactly fall in place together but maybe its a starting point. :-k



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09fritz2547 said:
Thank you for the help. However there are no holes for a reserve star in the plate...
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That is the thing about reserve crosses, sometimes they were used and sometimes not. it is a very "grey" area.

I do not own one of these helmets and I have never examined one so I am not really sure how in a case of a reserve cross it would be attached. Are they normally attached through a whole or maybe with prongs around the edges of the "sunburst rays" so not to punch or apply a hole?

Weitze has a example, they might be able to tell you how the cross is attached....
https://www.weitze.net/detail/04/Preussen_Helm_fuer_einen_Reserveoffizier_im_Regiment_Garde_du_Corps_bzw_Garde_Kuerassier_Regiment__129804_e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By the look of that cross, I would guess that it's just clipped around the sides of the star to the rear. Funny how these things turn up in bunches, isn't it?

:D Ron
 
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