Hanover

joerookery

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I have just started my research on these two helmets -- if anybody has any ideas -- information -- sources -- knowledge please let me know. Does anybody have the Knotel prints on the army of Hanover? Any resources on the Hanover army? I thought the left-hand helmet was in Pietsch---- can't seem to find it.
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Very nice Joe, did these come from the fellow selling the old collection? He was down the way from us at SOS, he had all of the swords and long guns.

How about Kube's book Militaria, might they be listed there?

Larmo
 
Yes that was the guy. I know that there is some information on page 128 of Lacarde volume 1 A limited number of pictures well just one picture and it is of a different unit. My French is not that good but I have a motto on the bottom and the construction is a silver colored horse and a brass colored surrounding ring.
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Many folks have written either e-mails or personal messages on these two helmets! I am learning a lot but I'm not quite there yet. Here is a great piece of information.

The shako on the left in your photo is a Model 1854 Offficer's shako from Prussian Jaeger Battalions 1,2,5 and 6. See
Militaria by Jan Kube, page 60.

The bad news is that in office covered in books I lost that one -- several years ago so I don't have it. Frustrating! Based on this identification this helmet would be relatively rare but also there would not be much information on it. Still trying to hunt down a bunch of information on Hanover. I will take pictures -- or actually ask Janet to hopefully later today. Thanks for everyone's help.
 
Was sent a copy of the picture from the book! This not only looks like the same kind of helmet it looks to be exactly this helmet.
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Hey Joe,
I do not think this is the same helmet, your visor is much smoother than the one in the photo.
For someone who is going over to the dark side, you have good luck.
Best wishes
Gus
 
Some additional pictures -- clearly this one is not in pristine shape but it is the only Hanoverian that has been within reach for me. Several things to point out. It has a private purchase type liner with one of the fingers missing. The front plate is attached by loops. There are no allowances for a chin strap. The body really seems to be of cardboard. This has led me to my first medal purchase.


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Another great one Joe, way to go. That fellow that you purchased it from sure had a great pile of interesting stuff, I was able to dent my wallet a couple of times at his table. He likely told you the same story as told to me, that it was an old collection being broken up to help the widow of the collector. He told me the collector was involved in the hobby since the 1950's, lot's of very interesting and esoteric items on the table to be sure.

Your Hanover Tschako has a lot of charm to him yet, he wears all the marks of the slings and arrows of time and fortune quite well...

Larmo
 
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My first attempt at a medal bar.

Prussian 25 Year LSC
1870 Campaign medal
Kaiser Centennial
Hannover 1866 Battle of Lagensalza
 
Hey Joe, nice bar, They're addicting like everything else darn it. Here's an Oldenburg one I purchased from the Tschako Man at SOS, I didn't see this one till late Saturday afternoon. I really like the wear to the ribbon on this bar, It's been together forever, the Grand Duke's medal is dated 1866 on the reverse.

Larmo

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Larry,

Arrrrggggghhhhh.... the magnets are locking on........

I love your bar but I really do not know anything about medals -- wisdom would say stay away but then there is this little 1866 Oldenburg that you have..... The 1866 war fascinates me far more than the Franco-Prussian stuff.... each to their own!
 
Thanks to the generosity of a forum member I now have all of the Knotel prints. however, I still know almost nothing about which regiment this is or if it is even infantry. I have been able to determine that he is enlisted even though there is a private purchase type liner. so this is an open call for help. Does anyone know anything about Hanover? :book: :book:
 
joerookery said:
The 1866 war fascinates me far more than the Franco-Prussian stuff.... each to their own!

Joe-
I tend to agree. The 1870-71 war gets all the buzz, but really the 1866 war was far more interesting.

It was really down hill from there for Austria. It is really amazing that following this war that the Prussians (and later Germans) could ever really be allied with the Austrians, and more importantly why they'd consider it.

There is the notion that half a century later they were shackled to a corpse, and you have to think that this war put the patient on the terminal list. I mean people like to joke about the French being losers at this point, but Austria was really the big loser of the 19th century. They lost war after war, and needed allies to save them.

Great headgear. Very interesting. As I mentioned, if the laws in Hanover were different Queen Victoria could have been a vassel to her grandson!

Cheers,
Peter
 
Hello.
Could you explain me, please, what difference is between Hannover's plates where is bandeau "peninsula waterloo" and "1811 waterloo 1813". I don't find any info at all. :oops:
Thank you.
 
Leone said:
Hello.
Could you explain me, please, what difference is between Hannover's plates where is bandeau "peninsula waterloo" and "1811 waterloo 1813". I don't find any info at all. :oops:
Thank you.

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Part of the answer to your questions concerns British history. In 1714 Queen Anne of England died with no children. George 1st from Hanover became king of England, as he was the only protestant who had a "blood connection" to Anne. Consequently, George had control over both territories. This also established the heavy duty connection between the British royal family and the Germany states which still exists. I do not know the origins of the running horse wappen for Hanoverian regiments. However, the bandeau...Peninsula, Waterloo etc are tied to the Napoleonic wars. The British king called upon his German regiments to fight with the British army against Napoleon, they formed "the kings' German Legion". They fought alongside their British allies at those famous battles against the French. I forget the date, but Kaiser Wilhelm II awarded these bandeau to the German regiments who fought in those battles. So thus, the bandeau on the wappen of Hanoverian regiments and the "Gibraltar" cuff title for JR 73. The Peninsula bandeau denotes that the regiment fought with Wellington on the Spanish peninsula. Any wappen bandeau was awarded to regiments whether cavalry or infantry, that fought with the Brits against Napoleon. "Waterloo" speaks for itself. Consequently, during WW1 we have the Kaiser (Queen Victoria's grandson" fighting his uncle George and Nicholas his Russian cousin...truly a family affair!
Oh, and lastly, the Yankee rebels here in North American, rebelled against their rightful king George 3rd the original George's grandson! :wink: !
 
Finally got back to this. The stock market has had me busy for a couple of days. Based on the work by Grassman, the difference is between the line regiments and the Lieb regiment. Surprisingly, the line guys had the bandeau but the Lieb regiment did not. I don't know about police helmets – it is an interesting thought.
 
Not surprising....if your Regiment did not take part in one of the Napoleonic battles along side the British against the French then, no wappen Bandeau celebrating these particular battles. Most were strictly line infantry. The close ties between the Hanoverian kings of England and their German relations is also illustrated by Geo 3rd's use of Hessen mercenaries against Washington's Continental Army.
 
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