Has anybody seen Chin Scales like this?

[Sandmann]

Hi everybody,
has anybody seen Chin Scales like this? They are the first ones I see with brackets over the leather. but they look not repaired.
Does anybody know German Pickelhaube Chin Scales like this? Are they German at all?

Link:
Chin Scales, silver-plated, with rosets for a spiked helmet, around 1900

Thank you all for your opinions

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

They could be German, but absolutely not German military.

 

[Naprawiacz]

Sandy it looks like imperial Russia.I have a similar style of belt from tschako.See how sloppily made the back of the belt is.I am sending my photos and a link.https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/imperial-russian-lancer-cap-uhlan-1871011476

 

[JohnS3rd]

Sandy, good question, and thanks for the link. Thanks for the posting and examples, Wojtek.
Best regards,
John

 

[Sandmann]

Thank you for your feedback, gentlemen
@Wojtek: Thank your for this example, it looks very similar. But the style of the rosettes is very different from all I know.

 

[Naprawiacz]

Thank you for your feedback, gentlemen
@Wojtek: Thank your for this example, it looks very similar. But the style of the rosettes is very different from all I know.

Such chinscales were worn between 1810 and 1864 by imperial Russia,but rosettes may have been worn on a fire officer's helmet on a metal helmet.It would be good to hear from someone else on this issue.We are pursuing the subject further.

 

[Sandmann]

Thank you Wojtek, guess you are right. After your post I have found similar looking rosettes on russian Shakos and Dragoon-Helmets, yesterday.