Help Prussian Husaren Colback

Francisque

Member
Hello ,
Can you please help about this colback? All original? I don't find stamp anywhere.
It's not my area of collecting & I need knowledgeable collector help.
Price range?
Thanks a lot.
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Tony without Kaiser

Departed
Staff member
To my eye that is an original private purchase Pelzmütze. The Bandeau has the proper shape and detail. Totenkopf also has the features of a small size private purchase that is likely brass or Tombak that has been silvered. It is not an issued Neusilber pattern. Can I assume there are four brass tangs (flat strips of brass) on the inside attaching it? The question you have, is are the Bandeau and Totenkopf original to the Pelzmütze, as they both show much more age and moisture damage than the other fittings.

Photos of the inside under the sweatband where they attach would be very helpful. There must be no extra holes in the body from a different (lower) Bandeau. Ideally, they could be removed for photos of the reverse, but that is usually not possible with a private purchase Pelzmütze.
 

Francisque

Member
Thanks a lot Tony. I'll do photos inside. If all is original, what is the market price of this headgear?
Thanks.
 

Tony without Kaiser

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I would like to emphasize again that the Totenkopf is very aged and moisture damaged, which does not match with the Pelzmütze in age. The body itself, as well as the dead seal hide, chinscales, Kolpak, Feldzeichen, are all very well preserved. That is of serious concern and worth considering.
 

Francisque

Member
I can't remove or see the totenkopf prong in the inside of the headgear. It's hidden under the fabric. It's probably the original one.
I'll do photo of the inside today.
 

Francisque

Member
Attached photos of the inside. Only the 2 chinstrap prong are visible. Not possible to view or remove the reverse of the totenkopf.
 

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911car

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I can't remove or see the totenkopf prong in the inside of the headgear. It's hidden under the fabric. It's probably the original one.
I'll do photo of the inside today.
Can you perhaps feel the prongs through the fabric? How many and where?
 

CLOVIS 57

Member
Hello,

I confirm Tony's statements. Oxidation inconsistency between the fillings and the looting. For me, this is called a "composite" hairstyle. There is no wicker frame inside. ? Then there are signs of doubt: It would take a photo of the rear of the Feldzeichen, it seems to me to be a repro, and anyway it is "Uffz-Portepee", while the cockade is "troop".

You should know that the Colbacks of the Leib-Prussians and of Brunswick are very copied, hacked, tinkered with, reassembled etc ... from identical "Eigentum" reproductions, made by the old establishments of the time, under the Republic of Weimar, for cinema and veterans' commemorations.
 
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911car

Well-known member
Hello,

I confirm Tony's statements. Oxidation inconsistency between the fillings and the looting. For me, this is called a "composite" hairstyle. There is no wicker frame inside. ? Then there are signs of doubt: It would take a photo of the rear of the Feldzeichen, it seems to me to be a repro, and anyway it is "Uffz-Portepee", while the cockade is "troop". Then, the inking of the journals does not seem good to me, I have the impression of seeing only 2 folding latches, instead of the central cross and the 2 lateral ones.

You should know that the Colbacks of the Leib-Prussians and of Brunswick are very copied, hacked, tinkered with, reassembled etc ... from identical "Eigentum" reproductions, made by the old establishments of the time, under the Republic of Weimar, for cinema and veterans' commemorations.
Hi,
You may be correct about the Feldzeichen. As of doubts, I wish we only have to deal with inconsistent Feldzeichen and cockade though. I don't think one can rely on these mobile elements to assess the originality of an item. I wondered about the meaning of "inking of the journals" (did "ancrage" become "encrage"...); from the context I suppose you mean chinscale attachments. However, the pattern your refer to (four main split tines in the shape of a cross and two smaller ones) is only found on M91 sideposts. Here we have the simpler attachment with two-legged brads and a tin backing plate, which looks correct.
 

Tony without Kaiser

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The Totenkopf and Bandeau might have stood a slim chance, but as they are not original to this body, it doesn't really matter.

Too many other issues as pointed out. So it is time to walk away.
 

CLOVIS 57

Member
Yes, I see that once again the "google" translator does not translate as it should. For the chinstrap attachments, I actually went on the M91 / 94 troop trunnions, whereas here we have an "Eigentum" with an officer type chinstrap. So 0K, on this point. (y) It was a mistake on my part and I apologize for it. 🙃 But I can't see the wicker frame inside.:unsure:
 

911car

Well-known member
Yes, I see that once again the "google" translator does not translate as it should. For the chinstrap attachments, I actually went on the M91 / 94 troop trunnions, whereas here we have an "Eigentum" with an officer type chinstrap. So 0K, on this point. (y) It was a mistake on my part and I apologize for it. 🙃 But I can't see the wicker frame inside.:unsure:
You do not have to apologize! This is totally understandable. We are all here to learn. As another example, the French word "troupe" translates in English as "enlisted", rather than troop. And "colback" is only French; English speakers refer to a busby, and Germans to a Pelzmuetze as you know. As of the wicker frame, you find both on these Eigentum/non-commissioned officer busbies: some have it, some don't. I have an NCO busby that is, inside, indistinguishable from an enlisted model. Only the fur makes the difference.
 

Francisque

Member
Thanks guy!
Attached close up of the front insignia. I've do photos of the inside too & you can the the 2 totenkopf below prongs.
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