Identification Please

b.loree

b.loree

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I have had this "mutze band" for many years, it came on a Baden mutze and I have always wondered what organization it represents. It is well made of woven cloth and bullion threads. The wheat motif reminds me of the Nazi RAD. Any help would be appreciated.
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Check the structure of this cap band and yours, wheat can be found on different occasions in Holland...

 
The cap band itself could very well be NSB (the Dutch National Socialist Movement), but the cockade seems to point into another direction: French. Cockade colours are generally arranged from the inside out, in this case blue, white, red... which is the French flag. Dutch would be red, white and blue I guess.

I'm on the fence: could be Vichy France, but could also be collaborating Dutch. Sadly we had quite a bunch of them, y'know...
 
My thanks to all for their comments. The mutze is typical German WW1 infantry issue with Baden kokarde over a Reichs which is of course, not correct.
 
Definitely not French to me!
Not sure the mutze and the cap band started they live together...with this type of construction.
 
Jaap Verduijn said:
The cap band itself could very well be NSB (the Dutch National Socialist Movement), but the cockade seems to point into another direction: French. Cockade colours are generally arranged from the inside out, in this case blue, white, red... which is the French flag. Dutch would be red, white and blue I guess.

I'm on the fence: could be Vichy France, but could also be collaborating Dutch. Sadly we had quite a bunch of them, y'know...
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Weren't Dutch cockades orange? It is the right color order for a French cockade, but nothing about it looks remotely French to me.
 
This may be a Landeswehr or a post war guard cap band. I cannot explain the wheat stalks, but the cockade appears to be from Schleswig Holstein:

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John :?
 
stuka f said:
And I think some sort of rural police officer, during German occupation.
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Yes, de "Schalkhaarpolitie" (Schalkhaar police) were considered traitors in the Netherlands. Even the "old" police that were trained before the war often collaborated with the Germans, but the Schalkhaar volunteer scum were actually trained and taught to collaborate.
 
I am inclined to think Dutch.....colours of the kokarde match, plus the wheat motif and the woven cloth design with bullion edging. The weave design comes very close to the visor cap shown on Kris's cap. There is also a heavy duty WW2 connection between Canada and the Netherlands....we sheltered their Royal family during the war and our troops liberated them. Many Dutch emigrated here after the war. I played and went to school with a number of their children in the early 1950's. This could have been brought back by a Canuck soldier or Dutch emigrant.
 
Peter_Suciu said:
Weren't Dutch cockades orange? It is the right color order for a French cockade, but nothing about it looks remotely French to me.
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During World War 1 the Dutch cockade was solid orange. I am not sure when it switched to red, white, and blue and began looking exactly like a French cockade, maybe WW2 or even later. Also during the First World War the Dutch wore a kepi or a piss-cutter, not a Mutze.

I suppose we would need to determine the actual date of the headband in order to come to a good solution. I definitely do not believe that this headband is French. Nothing about it looks French.

I'm still leaning to the Province of Schleswig Holstein, maybe police, fire, or even some farm labor group.

John :?
 
It is Dutch....

Its the NAD - 'Nederlandsche Arbeidsdienst' (Dutch labour service) , similar to the German RAD

The Crossed ears of Corn are the give away.

i can't remember off the top of my head exactly which branch, as some of the trims vary. But i can find out. Or a google should reveal all.

Thanks Mark
 
Stirnpanzer said:
It is Dutch....

Its the NAD - 'Nederlandsche Arbeidsdienst' (Dutch labour service) , similar to the German RAD

The Crossed ears of Corn are the give away.

i can't remember off the top of my head exactly which branch, as some of the trims vary. But i can find out. Or a google should reveal all.

Thanks Mark
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The RAD was a Nazi organization. I believe it started in 1935.

When did the Dutch cockade change from orange to red, white, and blue?

John :-?
 
I went onto the net and typed in Dutch Labour Service. Then hit on images....the first picture, NAD 1942 shows my cap band on the visor cap of a Dutch officer of this NAD group. It is in black and white but the design is totally similar. So, I think we have identified the item...how it got to Canada we can only speculate. My thanks to all who have posted comments.
 
SkipperJohn said:
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When did the Dutch cockade change from orange to red, white, and blue?

John :-?
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They never did!
It is just that different organisations used different national symbols (red white and blue ; being the colors of the Dutch flag....).
 
b.loree said:
I went onto the net and typed in Dutch Labour Service. Then hit on images....the first picture, DLS 1942 shows my cap band on the visor cap of a Dutch officer of this DLS group. It is in black and white but the design is totally similar. So, I think we have identified the item...
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Fourth image over here, but I guess it must be the same one...
 
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