Imperial German States -- Saxony.

joerookery

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I thought I would throw out an idea of going through the individual German states from both a historical and helmet perspective. This could be kind of a show and tell him everything related to the state under discussion. Helmets, equipment, stories, questions. We are in the middle of editing our book. We are at peace with the publisher but I wait for my sister to take her normal butcher knife to this. In the meantime I thought I would put some info into the individual states for you. Experience tells me it's not very easy to find information about the states organized in any manner. So the intent of this is just to get the ball rolling. Let's talk about things Saxony. Rather than give you a link to look at. I thought it would be better in one place. I started with Saxony randomly -- I don't have an order. Such If there is no interest I will stop.

The Kingdom of Saxony, a German state since 1180, was a member state of the German Confederation from 1815 to 1866. The Wettin dynasty split in 1547 and the junior Albertine line took over Saxony. The senior line took over the Thüringian area. In the Prussia and Austria war of 1866, Saxony declined Prussia’s offer of neutrality, and, the Saxon army joined the Austrians. The entire kingdom was occupied by the Prussians. On the conclusion of peace Saxony lost no territory, but had to pay a war indemnity of ten million thalers, and was compelled to enter the North German Confederation. The military, postal and telegraph systems were placed under the control of Prussia. The Saxon military became a contingent of the Prussian army on seven February, 1867. Almost everybody understands that XII and XIX Corps represented the entire Saxon army. However, there was a Saxon infantry Regiment number 105 that was stationed in Alsace-Lorraine as part of XV Corps. Saxony became a member state of the German Empire in 1871. On the 25 states Saxony was one of the four kingdoms within Imperial Germany. Within Imperial Germany, Saxony ranked fifth in area, third in population and first in density of population. In 1914 the population of Saxony was 4,986,000. Saxony was the most densely populated state in the empire, and its population increased at a more rapid rate than any of the larger German states. No kingdom had so large a proportion of urban population, forming 52.97 percent of the whole. The capital city was Dresden the 3rd largest city in the empire. About 94 percent of the inhabitants of Saxony were Protestants; about 12,500 were Jews, and about 4.7 percent, including the royal family, were Roman Catholics. The Crown Prince Georg of Saxony gave up his succession rights to become a Jesuit priest in 1923. There was a neighboring Prussian province of Saxony that had the same name.
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Saxony was a hereditary constitutional monarchy with four votes in the Bundesrat and twenty-three deputies in the Reichstag. Saxony became known as the “Red Kingdom", when in 1903 with universal suffrage, 22 of 23 Reichstag deputies were Social Democrats. The parliament of the kingdom had two chambers known as the Standekammer. The upper chamber consisted of princes, certain members of the nobility and prominent men appointed by the King. The lower chamber consists of 43 members from the towns and 48 from the country, elected for six years. All male citizens twenty-five years old and upwards who paid 3 marks per annum in taxes had the vote. The number of Social Democratic delegates in the Kingdom's parliament increased steadily so in 1896 a new electoral law was passed, introducing indirect election and a franchise based on a three-tier system. This was changed further in 1909 with plural voting of between one and four votes determined by the amount paid in direct taxation. This resulted in 1901 in the complete elimination of the Socialists from the kingdom's parliament but as we have seen by 1903 the Social Democrats were the overwhelming majority in the Imperial Reichstag.
King George died on the 15th of October 1904 and was succeeded by his son as King Frederick Augustus III till abdication in 1918. He was the only German royalty that only renounced his own rights for the throne, but not his family's rights. The over 800 year reign of House Wettin ended with his abdication.
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The most talked about event of Saxony was the flight in December 1902 of the crown-princess Louise (the wife of Friedrick August) with André Giron, who had been the French tutor to her three children. She had married Friedrich August when he was the Crown Prince and was pregnant with her fourth child. She was very popular in Saxony as she didn't follow the etiquette at the court which resulted in arguments with her father in law. On 9 December 1902 she left Saxony without her children but pregnant with her youngest daughter. She was divorced 11 February 1903. Her last child with Friedrich August was sent to Dresden to live at the court. Louise’s Italian father awarded her the title of Countess of Montignoso. On 25 September 1907 she married the musician Enrico Toselli in London. They were divorced five years later. She died in poverty in Brussells in 1947.

I am sure there are some nice helmets out there, but I thought I would talk about a few anomalies. Saxon officer helmets often have a different kind of front visor that Is neither squared nor round.
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Saxon officer cockades tend to be the one piece and the light color is often gray instead of white.
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Saxon enlisted cockades seem to be always rounded in pictures. There are a lot of Saxon cockades with points around but we have never seen one in a picture. Did they exist?
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Some issued Saxon helmets are marked verkauft. The generalized thought is that this means purchased from government stores. Sort of a secondhand helmet market. This is a guess.
 
Thank, Joe, for posting this. I find historical and georgaphical information about the former German states very interesting. I also thoroughly enjoyed the bit of shocking royal gossip too!

I thought I'd add a couple of more photos of the last king, Friedrich August III, if I may.

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Thanks for the pictures and jumping in! If you liked the gossip about this girl wait till we get to Schaumburg-Lippe! -- if ever.
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Prince Georg of Saxony (1893-1943) the Crown Prince during the war, gave up his succession rights to become a Jesuit priest in 1923. During WWII he helped conceal Jews, and was consequently murdered by the Nazis.

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joerookery said:
Prince Georg of Saxony (1893-1943) the Crown Prince during the war, gave up his succession rights to become a Jesuit priest in 1923. During WWII he helped conceal Jews, and was consequently murdered by the Nazis.

Which goes along with something I, and others, have said many times.....if the German monarchies hadn't been overthrown and survived the war then there would have been no place for the Nazis and the Holocaust would have never occured. It's sad.
 
Liongules said:
Which goes along with something I, and others, have said many times.....if the German monarchies hadn't been overthrown and survived the war then there would have been no place for the Nazis and the Holocaust would have never occured. It's sad.

That is a good point to consider, but for every what-if there is a potential one just as bad.

The holocaust may not have occured, but even a victorious Germany could have faced a Communist revolution. That killed about 20 million people between 1917 and 1930. And if the Czar or the Whites managed to live the Jews in Russia could have faced a faith not far better than those under the Nazis. Had the Czar not been overthrown, or worse overthrown and saved by the Whites and restored to the throne, he might have had reprisals against the Jews, as many supported the revolution.

I read a lot of what-if and alternative history, so I often think of what might have been. The sad truth is that utopia is usally seldom what is seen in alternate timelines.


And Joe, interesting background on Saxony. Saxony is sort of like Hungary. These later people had no direct link to their early namesakes. The original Saxons didn't really even come from where the later Saxony was founded!
 
Saxony had some unique head gear.
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As well as some experimental items.
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Some of the tallest spikes that you see are from Saxony.
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Saxon Beamte had a different helmet.
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The Saxon Landwehr cross for the Landsturm had a different motto.

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Here are some infos too about Saxony, coins stamps etc.

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/koenigreich_sachsen.htm

Not related to Saxony directly, but I think the Prussian predominance in the empire is often underestimated. I found this image helpful which depicts the territory by percentages

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/statistik/flaeche1/index.html

Considering the what-if, what if the pre-1914 hegemonial powers would have continued into the age of nuclear warefare. I guess most of histoy is mainly made up of coincidences and the slightest change would have led to a completely different political world today.
 
I started with Saxony randomly -- I don't have an order. Such If there is no interest I will stop.
Please, Joe, do continue your interesting series also about the other German countries. I am one of the guys , who will stay interested. Don't leave any court gossip out , if it is possible. :D Thanks a lot!
 
Great Idea !!

I think treads like this would be very usefull to rookies like myself.
Please keep them coming and THANK YOU to all contributers.
 
Great thread Joe! Keep up the good work...
But one question: (in the last picture) whats's the left guy doing with his sword to the right guy? :p

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I know it looks bad :eek: :eek: :eek: but there are three ways to have such an oath.

The oath of loyalty was administered to the recruits several weeks after joining the regiment. This was known as the Fahnenreid. The oath was administered one of three ways during a major ceremony: the soldier’s left hands were placed on the colors, the point of an officer's sword, or an artillery piece, and they raised their right hands. Sometimes this was done in small groups, and sometimes at a larger formation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for joining in. I think these could be very good for less experienced guys who do not know all the little things that some of us longtime forum members take for granted.
 
keep 'em comin'

Maybe there is some interest in this. Here is a little Saxon tidbit that I believe I learned from R1 a long time ago. There are two different kinds of connector loops for most enlisted wappen. The vast majority have an omega shape.
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However, Saxon ones, have a "D"shape. At least I think that's what I remember!

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