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joerookery

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Seems like there are few people into these pictures. Here is an odd one that showed up today...nothing on the back,
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Okay, I'll bite! Possible maneuver/training situation where they don't want their regimental number showing???? Some sort of classified mission, where again they don't want their regimental number showing???? :-k
 
There is at least one of these in a collection.
Early war. Numbers actually cut out and the "patch" sewed over the hole! Therefore don't know if they had cloth or painted numbers. Can't recall seeing a picture but obviously most people have. :smilebox:
 
joerookery said:
There is at least one of these in a collection.
Early war. Numbers actually cut out and the "patch" sewed over the hole! Therefore don't know if they had cloth or painted numbers. Can't recall seeing a picture but obviously most people have. :smilebox:
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Well, I guess they could be trying to conceal from the enemy what regiment they might be facing. But that would only help in a long distance situation through binoculars. Once someone was caputred or killed all they had to do was look at the shoulder strap to find out what regiment it was.

Or, since you said early war, perhaps they had covers with the wrong regimental number on them and, at that early time, someone actually thought it was important enough to get rid of the incorrect number? :P
 
Joe

Was just checking out Tony's outstanding Uberzug section of "The" Bunker. This photo is probably in 1916 shortly after the Order was made to remove the Unit numbers. What an excellant job he did on it, just a fantastic resource!

Does anybody know what that exact date would be in 1916?

Geo
 
Can't recall seeing a picture but obviously most people have
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If anyone has Klaus Lubbe's reference titled Deutsche Uniformen und Seitengewehre 1841 - 1945, there is a photograph on page 82 of a Gefreiter from Field Artillery Regiment 10 wearing a helmet cover with a similar patch covering the unit designation.

Reservist1
 
Does anybody know what that exact date would be in 1916?
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George: I have a reference to an instruction published by the Kreigsministerium in the Army Official Gazette (Vol. 50, no. 59, page 578,)
Berlin, 26 December 1916.
Army Administrative Department
No. 417/8. 16.B.3

938. Elimination of unit marking on clothing and equipment

For duration of the war, any newly manufactured clothing or equipment need not be marked with unit-stamps. It will be sufficient to apply the mark of either the manufacturing or the accepting accepting War (Reserve) Clothing Office

Signed v. Oven

The above seems to deal only with new clothing and equipment. I do not have anything that mentions a date for the removal of unit markings from existing equipment. Perhaps Tony may be able to provide more detailed information.

Reservist1
 
Fantastic foto Joe. I have never seen the like before. There is ample proof on the rear visors of many pickelhauben illustrating the fact that an attempt was made to grind off/remove regimental unit numbers. I have handled many helmets where the outer layer of leather which was marked has been removed. Prior to this thread, I never understood why this was done. I always presumed some dealer had messed with the helmet. Obviously, with the existance of so many well marked pickelhauben the practice was not enforced throughout the whole army. Brian
PS.....Note the position of the Chinstraps in the close up fotos. We have both M15 uberzuge with the side cut outs for the chin strap ( chin strap is neatly worn accross the front of the helmet) and the pre 1915 without cut outs.
 
Brian,

One thing I really do not know is when probe examples were changed between no slits and slits. I have found a bunch of odd things out on Uberzugs and will do an article soon.

From the Trawnik collection.
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Sorry to bring an old thread out to life again,

Just read the comments and looked at the photo, The guy second from the left either has a better matched colour or his helmet cover was never unit marked unlike the others, (replacement equipment that was now issued to follow the order?)

Dunno if it added anything but was interesting.

Cheers
Nick
 
The guy second from the left either has a better matched colour or his helmet cover was never unit marked unlike the others
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I think this is the probability. Units clearly lacked uniformity in Uberzugs.
 
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