IR 94 Wappen
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Great helmets! Some possibly black fibre (no front brim?) and some mixed with leather visors, possibly the pre-war experimental model. I also think that the guy in the second row, second from right has a steel helmet.
Stamped by Ers. Batl. Res. Inf. Reg... can you read the regiment's number? Oberköditz where the card was sent to was located in Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt if I understand correctly.
Stamped by Ers. Batl. Res. Inf. Reg... can you read the regiment's number? Oberköditz where the card was sent to was located in Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt if I understand correctly.
Opas Enkel
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Uuh, interesting. There's a misspelling on the sign in the background: Geschäftszimmer!!!!
Opas Enkel said:
If you look closely, you will see that Geschäftszimmer is spelled correctly, the m has a bar over it, and that makes it a double m, I have seen this on an n too, but I think that the m is the only letter that is nomally spelled this way.
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Gus
reservist1
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Looking at the photo, the fellow on the left end of the second row has a Model 1886 French Lebel rifle and the third fellow from the right in the rear row also has a French rifle but not enough is visible to determine if it is a Lebel or a Berthier. Everyone else seems to be armed with Model 1871 Mauser rifles.
Reservist1
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drakegoodman
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A healthy mix of 1871 and 1871/84 Mausers (plus one interloper). Great pic.
Opas Enkel
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Gustaf said:
Yes, I've seen that, but the meaning of it is absolutely new to me. So, my mistake...
Opas Enkel said:
That is what is so great about this forum, we can learn something new every day, and it is good to point that out, as there are a lot of people who do not know this, and I totally missed it on the sign, the sign is hand lettered, but it the first time I have seen this in a non hand written text.
It is not a mistake, it is an observation.
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Gus
On page 110 of his first book, JL Larcade shows another picture of an IR94 detachment also displaying extraordinary diversity in spike helmets. Some bear the Sachsen-Weimar Wappen, some don't. He was able to identify 10 different helmet types in a group of 19 soldiers... It seems that IR94 was not inclined for uniformity!
Bruno
Bruno
Just to support what Bruno said above , with the tremendous expansion of the army during the war there were all kinds of shortages in equipment, helmets and uniforms. This is reflected in this foto, according to Lacarde it was common for these regiments to be issued with the standard Prussian wappen....just to get everyone equipped properly. A great foto by the way.
joerookery
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Fantastic picture! Nice display of helmet types. I have one of RJR 94 with a similar wappen. They were after all in the Prussian army. the default was always the Prussian eagle and that was the same for all of the minor states. The shoulder straps are really different! This really is screaming for some explanation. I understand and have many pictures of the wappen changed for minor states or in a sort of transition such as the JR 91 picture below–don't remember any shoulder straps like that however.
The reuse of older helmets seems to be twofold. First there was the genuine problem with availability of any thing in the short amount of time they had to work with. The other arm seems to be driven by the ersatz producers who jacked up the price on these helmets. I have documents from the archives that show the prospective product and price. These prices were higher than in 1913! Contrary to some ideas I have yet to find anything like a “contract price” but rather individual sellers approaching different Army Corps to purchase their goods.
The reuse of older helmets seems to be twofold. First there was the genuine problem with availability of any thing in the short amount of time they had to work with. The other arm seems to be driven by the ersatz producers who jacked up the price on these helmets. I have documents from the archives that show the prospective product and price. These prices were higher than in 1913! Contrary to some ideas I have yet to find anything like a “contract price” but rather individual sellers approaching different Army Corps to purchase their goods.
joerookery said:
The numbers? The cyphered ones are the standard strap for Carl Alexander worn from 01 Nov 1867 until the 1st war when Wilhelm Ernst changed the cypher to his own, but those are only Feldgrau straps. Reserve units often carried only the number, so could the guys with number 94 be the reserve component of the Regt.
joerookery
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Thanks Tony!
Yes indeed but here you have both the active and reserve shoulder strap in a reserve unit–not common. Nice picture of the strap I need to learn more about these.
Yes indeed but here you have both the active and reserve shoulder strap in a reserve unit–not common. Nice picture of the strap I need to learn more about these.
dave mosher
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Speaking of lack of uniformity in the first postcard: I noted six M-1907 feldgrau waffenrocks, three darker (blue?) M-1900 mannschafts-litewkas with breast pockets, one light (gray?) M-1900 mannschafts-litewka with breast pockets but no collar tabs or shoulder straps, three darker(blue?) M-1903 mannschafts-litewkas w/o breast pockets and seven dunkelblau waffenrocks. It also appears that several of the chaps with the feldgrau waffenrocks have collar tresse. Quite a mish-mash....
Dave
Dave
joerookery
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I read through Tony's explanations of uniform types. Well-written I thought. Concise–and a lot more direct than hundreds of pages of references. Great online source. :thumbright: :thumbright:
joerookery
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Wyliecoyote
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The first foto is a Rekrut photo, so that one recruit may be heading for I.R. 94. I have at least on Rekrut Depot photo with recruits with two different regimental shoulder straps. That or with a shortage of uniforms, he got hand me down shoulder boards.
I believe both those French rifles are Lebels. Brett, good eye, I overlooked the Gew 71/84!
T
Would there be two M1905 pickelhaubes here?
Geo
I believe both those French rifles are Lebels. Brett, good eye, I overlooked the Gew 71/84!
T
Would there be two M1905 pickelhaubes here?
Geo