Issue Stamp Quandry

saracen111

New member
Can anyone advise me regarding an issue stamp which i can't dentify, please?

It is very clear and impressed into the rear visor.

B.J.A.XVlll

Thanks,
ian
 
BJAXVIII stands for bekleidungs (j)instantsetsungsambt 18
This means it was in the clothing depot for alterations or repairing of any sorts of damage

Jonas
 
Thanks, that's interesting as it has various other ink stamps with dates of 1914; 1915 & 1917 plus two completely different personal signatures. Plus "54". I attach a picture.

Many thanks,
ian
 
Can you find allterations that indcate it had been in a clothingdepot
other parts or multiple holes for the plate
is it possible to post more pics of the interior or other views of your helmet

Jonas
 
bjaxVIII.jpg


From the list
 
Yes that's the same B.J.A.XVlll

I will try to get some better pictures. 2 from the rear peak are attached. the ink stamp is dated at 1917.

Inside there is a blurred ink stamps: B.A.XV 1915 (or 1913).
 
The "f" signifies that it was repaired and is now suitable for "field use" ie back into the war. There are a couple of possibilities with this piece....if it was made in 1913 then originally the fittings were brass and it was converted to M15 grey fittings. Look at the wappen grommets are they steel, any extra holes, any extra space around the grommets? The reason I ask, is they would usually pop the brass grommets and install steel ones as part of the conversion. The other alternative is repair of a hole in the shell or replaced/restitched visors. Look for any patched hole on the outside or inside of the shell. Second, pull the liner fingers outward and look at the visor stitch line inside, an extra line of stitch holes would indicate a restitch. Look at the stitch lines on the outside of the visors, sometimes they restitched using heavy white cotton thread and stitched every other hole. In this case, the stitches are longer than normal. All hauben have 2 parallel stitch lines, the first (closest to the rim) is for the liner/sweatband, the second is to hold the visors on to the shell. The liner is tack stitched around the rim of the shell, then the visors are stitched on front and back.
 
Thanks Brian, The wappen holes are very slightly altered - each extended by about 5mm. One has a grey grommet and the other is just a plain hole. All the stitching looks perfect and is as you describe. No signs of damage repair, As you say, I rather think it is a converted 1895 model?

Much obliged,
ian
 
"Jonas says: "BJAX stands for bekleidungs (j)instantsetsungsambt 18
This means it was in the clothing depot for alterations or repairing of any sorts of damage
"

Do you really mean "BJA" stands for ........etc? As it seems clearly XVlll as a number.

If this is the case where is Depot XVlll please and would this indicate what regiment the haube belongs to as it currently has no wappen plate and I would like to find the appropriate one.

Many thanks for your help.
I
 
Ian,

I'm not sure what you are asking.

Do you really mean "BJA" stands for ........etc? As it seems clearly XVlll as a number.

If this is the case where is Depot XVlll please and would this indicate what regiment the haube belongs to as it currently has no wappen plate and I would like to find the appropriate one.

have you read this? http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/DepotMarks_5_09.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The BJA Mark would not tell you which regiment. based on the number XVIII it could be either Prussian or Hessian.
 
the best way to know witch plate fits your helmet is to look for any inprint or shades that left the privious plate

without a regimental marking you are in a wild guess as you can fit it with a pruissian plate as with a hessian plate
or you take mesures of those holes and compaire it with both plates

jonas
 
Thanks Chaps. Excuse my ignorance.

My first query was that Jonas meant BJA when he actually wrote "BJAX".

My second query was that if this was in fact XVlll Corps, where & who was this?

I don't have access to where or who the Corps were.

Many thanks.
 
If you're based in the US then you'll be able to read "Führer durch Heer und Flotte 1914" https://books.google.com/books?id=3...ved=0ahUKEwiPpoz7vvzMAhWJA5oKHW-hDs0Q6AEIIDAA.

On page 137 and further (page 140 of 405 of the scanned document) the units within the XVIII. Armeekorps (A.K.) are shown.

The 18th Army Corps didn't have its own Bekleidungs-Amt (clothing department) in peacetime, this was provided by the Bekleidungsämter of the VII. (for I.R. 87 & 88), VIII. (for Eisenbahn Rgt Nr. 2 & 3) and XI. A.K. (for all other units in XVIII. A.K.). When war started the 18th Army Corps raised B.I.A. XVIII, where they repaired and reconditioned worn / older clothing and equipment for re-use.

The uniforms of all units are detailed from page 154 onward (including the helmet plates), but here the old German font might be challenging.

Lars
 
Back
Top