James' Tschapka Before and After Restoration

Thank you for sharing !

The leather in the rivets of the square tongues are not pierced. Normally a lace was put through this holes.

Question: Last but one photo: what is the thick piece of pierced leather in the "hole"?

Rgds,

Francis
 
b.loree said:
Thank you Maxime, I did not know about the cord being used on the M15 instead of cane, which makes sense. I really think that it was cane as it seems to be the same as was used for woven cane of chairs from that era and later. I believe, that they also used very thin strips of cane for the officer liners. Anyone out there know where "cane" comes from...is it strips from sugar cane? Or is it just thin bamboo??
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Hi Brian,
The cane is in fact what is called in french "osier d'Espagne". It seems to be the same material which was used to build the old models Tschapkas mortar board. There is no piece of "osier" on all the liners for officiers Tschapkas that I have got. Here you are some pics to illustrate this purpose :

Model 1867 for enlisted man in 3thd Guard Uhlans Regt :


Model 1894/99 for enlisted man in 4 & 9 to 12 UR :


Model 1915 for enlisted man with tin remotable mortar board (cord) :



Maxime
 
Not that I want to rip my 3.GUR Mod 1867 OR Tschapka appart... but I'll have a closer look this afternoon !

Thank you !

Francis
 
Khukri said:
Question: Last but one photo: what is the thick piece of pierced leather in the "hole"?

Rgds,

Francis
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It's the system to fix the leather lace which pass over the top of the mortar board and ends up with à little piece of wood so as to fix the "Fangschnur".

 
Of course !

Can't see how the one on my Mod 1867 OR is attached. Possibly simply knotted at the inside.

Thx,

Francis
 
Ok ! I saw what caused my confusion on the rivets and holes.

I saw pics of liners where the lace went through one hole. That's why... :-

In this case the rounded tips of the tongues are flipped back and held by the rivets, thus forming an "noose" or edge where the lace can pass...

Francis
 
Okay, my turn for a question. Is that a line eagle on there? If so, were line eagles sometimes used on Tschapkas?

:D Ron
 
poniatowski said:
Okay, my turn for a question. Is that a line eagle on there? If so, were line eagles sometimes used on Tschapkas?

:D Ron
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Yes for the most part of the ersatz models such as some leather models with affixed mortar board like James'one, and for all the felt models that I've seen.

All the officiers models have a large eagle like the Haubes.

Maxime
 
yes, guy's it is a Line eagle.

Been trying to replace it with other line eagles, but the curvature does not match so far.

Imprint on helmet does match the eagle.

Thanks

James
 
PICKELMAX said:
Yes for the most part of the ersatz models such as some leather models with affixed mortar board like James'one
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Sorry! :oops:
It's a mistake of my part. After looking at all the pictures that I've got showing leather / tin Tschapkas with affixed mortar board, all of these Tschapkas have the little Uhlan eagle. Only the felt Tschapkas have a large line eagle. James, you've now to find this rare little eagle so as to complete your (very nice) Tschapka.

Maxime
 
1.Is it correct that this Tschapki (Leather with tin mortarboard) are rare items?
2.From what year on they would have been in service ?
3.Are they issued (Kammer) or Eigentums ?

Thank you,

Francis
 
Hi Francis,

As I know :
1/ This sort of Tschapkas (czapki) are not very rare in comparison with the full metal models for example
2/ They seem to have been in service since the year 1914
3/ I think that they are issued models and it would be intresting to search who is (or are) the maker(s). Tony's Saxon one is from A. Wunderlich at Berlin.

Maxime
 
J.LeBrasseur said:
yes, guy's it is a Line eagle. Been trying to replace it with other line eagles, but the curvature does not match so far.
Imprint on helmet does match the eagle.
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James, what is the distance betwen the holes? Will a small Ulanen pattern eagle Wappen fit?
 
Tony without Kaiser said:
J.LeBrasseur said:
yes, guy's it is a Line eagle. Been trying to replace it with other line eagles, but the curvature does not match so far.
Imprint on helmet does match the eagle.
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James, what is the distance betwen the holes? Will a small Ulanen pattern eagle Wappen fit?
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If the distance is 6,5cm, it's surely a small Uhlan eagle.
 
Guy's from center of hole to center off other hole is exactly 6.5 cm

So I guess I need to find an Small Uhlan plate


Anybody got a spare :D

thanks

James
 
PICKELMAX said:
Hi Francis,

As I know :
1/ This sort of Tschapkas (czapki) are not very rare in comparison with the full metal models for example
2/ They seem to have been in service since the year 1914
3/ I think that they are issued models and it would be intresting to search who is (or are) the maker(s). Tony's Saxon one is from A. Wunderlich at Berlin.

Maxime
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Mine (prussian) was also made by Wunderlich in Berlin.
Bruno
 
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