JR 73 trooper Helmet

I saw this JR73 helmet, and asked myself the same question. We do not expect this kind of marking in such a helmet. There are, however, other examples, then why not? Hence this may be no mystery, Frontenac (pun intended).

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I see nothing wrong with that helmet Richard. Both soldered on and one piece stamping Bandeau are correct for Wappens on issued helmets.

There must have been hundreds of those separate Bandeau ordered by each Regt prior to the awarding in 1899. You can’t hand an Infanterie Regt a new Wappen the next day. Bandeau would initially have to added to existing helmet eagles (like the one you posted), with later made ones being a one-piece stamping.

Füsilier-Regt. Feldmarshchall Prinz Albrecht von Preußen (1.Hannoversches) Nr.73 was a senior Regiment. Over the many years this Regiment existed, there cannot be only one method of Kammer mark. In the skull, on the rear visor, both are correct. Helmets moved from unit to unit, and were often repaired etc. Old helmets with old markings were cut down, modified, issued again. White or red painted Kammer markings in paint are common. Ink stamps or rear visors is the normal for newer helmets made up to 1914.

To the markings, I have several in white paint, a few in red paint, always an older helmet. Like this one.

Model 1860 Hannover Mannschaften (Other Ranks) Pickelhaube for Inf. - Regt. Von Voigts - Rhetz (3. Hannoversches) Nr.79, Hildesheim X. Armee-Korps. The helmet is unit marked with white paint IR79 1867 FB (Füsilier Batt) on the skull inside top.

Both FR73 and IR79 are are of course both X. Armee-Korps

Model 1860 Hannover Infantry Regt 79 Pickelhaube

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Tony, The Füsilier-Regiment Feldmarschall Prinz Albrecht von (Hannoversches) Nr. 73 had been called as such (FR 73) since 1889. And the Peninsula Waterloo streamer appeared in 1899. I don't mind that there have been simplifications in time of war in the name of certain regiments, and that at the beginning of the years 1899/1900, the first banner plates were of the type with a banner added like the waterloo plates, certainly but "mistrust" …. On the other hand the name « JR73» un 1900 I do not believe in it at all, especially since the known helmets of this regiment, in particular mine, have an ink marking under the neck cover, I have not yet never seen a white paint marking in the spray can. I think this marking was made from scratch but in an erroneous way to "stick to the plate"
 
Tony without Kaiser said:
I see nothing wrong with that helmet Richard. Both soldered on and one piece stamping Bandeau are correct for Wappens on issued helmets.

There must have been hundreds of those separate Bandeau ordered by each Regt prior to the awarding in 1899. You can’t hand an Infanterie Regt a new Wappen the next day. Bandeau would initially have to added to existing helmet eagles (like the one you posted), with later made ones being a one-piece stamping.

Füsilier-Regt. Feldmarshchall Prinz Albrecht von Preußen (1.Hannoversches) Nr.73 was a senior Regiment. Over the many years this Regiment existed, there cannot be only one method of Kammer mark. In the skull, on the rear visor, both are correct. Helmets moved from unit to unit, and were often repaired etc. Old helmets with old markings were cut down, modified, issued again. White or red painted Kammer markings in paint are common. Ink stamps or rear visors is the normal for newer helmets made up to 1914.

To the markings, I have several in white paint, a few in red paint, always an older helmet. Like this one.

Model 1860 Hannover Mannschaften (Other Ranks) Pickelhaube for Inf. - Regt. Von Voigts - Rhetz (3. Hannoversches) Nr.79, Hildesheim X. Armee-Korps. The helmet is unit marked with white paint IR79 1867 FB (Füsilier Batt) on the skull inside top.

Both FR73 and IR79 are are of course both X. Armee-Korps

Model 1860 Hannover Infantry Regt 79 Pickelhaube

www.kaisersbunker.com

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Thanks Tony for your comment as usual objective and full of information.
 
As i said in the other post, there no question about painting regiment marks. Nevertheless, 1900 is quite belated. But there is a problem with the JR mark. Like Furchtlos 14, i don't trust the mark JR for a fusilier rgt in 1900. This is even more when you see that germans make the difference between the Fusilier bataillon and the others in the same regiment. So, for the FR 73 while this name of fusilier is clearly associated with its traditions and the moto, it cannot be stamped JR.
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pppara said:
As i said in the other post, there no question about painting regiment marks. Nevertheless, 1900 is quite belated. But there is a problem with the JR mark. Like Furchtlos 14, i don't trust the mark JR for a fusilier rgt in 1900. This is even more when you see that germans make the difference between the Fusilier bataillon and the others in the same regiment. So, for the FR 73 while this name of fusilier is clearly associated with its traditions and the moto, it cannot be stamped JR.
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Good point. I saw it and did not notice the discrepancy, although it is so obvious...
The brown liner is not kosher either in a M95; it is sometimes encountered, but rather in private purchase helmets.
 
911car said:
The brown liner is not kosher either in a M95; it is sometimes encountered, but rather in private purchase helmets.
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Yes Bruno, it was so obvious that i didn't noticed it! I don't know how to say that in english "un point partout, la balle au centre".
PP
 
This is an unfortunate scenario, where something is shown, and there are valid reasons and observations to doubt it. I believe returning it is a good decision. This will be a good outcome, a learning experience, and you will not have to look at the helmet with regret.
 
Hi,
MALVAUX isn't an expert in the field of PICKELHAUBE. He is a specialist for 1st french empire and old monarchy sutffs.
When i saw this helmet, i almost buy it! But the JR mark questioned me, like FURCHTLOS14.
The advantage with these professionals is the right of return. Nevertheles it is limited to 8 days with MALVAUX.
 
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For my part, I rather like helmets of this regiment marked with FR 73 (left side of neckguard) and BA.X (right side). All authentic kown helmets of this unit are showing them at those exact places.

Even if the markings are a little bit faint (but there), like on my own example:

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Philippe
 
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