Landsturm Headgear
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zipperheads9
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Sorry to add this solate in the link . but the officer at the beginning of this thread ,could he just activated or transfered in from another reservre or regugular regiment ?
Mark
Mark
Wyliecoyote
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Mark
Participation is welcome, glad to see some one else besides Joe & I are interested in this subject.
The feldmutze also came in a version that had an added on leather visor. I am unsure if it was named differently or also known as a feldmutze. I do not have a pic of any worn by Landsturm.
I have 4 pc's that are from the same Landsturm Battalion, the first two I picked up separately. The second 2 were in the back of a small pc scrapbook I bought as empty. Strange coincidence I only recently realised. They are from 2. Ldst.-I.-Ers.-Btn. Hamburg (IX Krp.28 Btn.) Their mutzen display the Landes kokorde of the Hanseatic City of Hamurg. An example can be found in Chip's photo, top row left.
Next type of headgear is the Dienstmutze. It consisted of a black leather visor, for Landsturm the crown was generally well shaped, stiffened and feldgrau or graugrun in color. Utilized the Reich & Landes cockades and cap bands in the same manner as the feldmutze. Usually worn by OR's behind the lines, worn in the feld mostly by NCO's and Officers. There was also a soft version, I believe the type is refered to as crusher type. The next two pc's show members definitely behind the lines, with exampes of both feld / dienstmutzen.
This last pc is of 2 Landsturm guards and Russian POWs, one with oilcloth cap. They are wearing Brigade collar dogs that I am unable to read.
Please feel free to particate, correct errors, or just add your 2 cents.
Participation is welcome, glad to see some one else besides Joe & I are interested in this subject.
The feldmutze also came in a version that had an added on leather visor. I am unsure if it was named differently or also known as a feldmutze. I do not have a pic of any worn by Landsturm.
I have 4 pc's that are from the same Landsturm Battalion, the first two I picked up separately. The second 2 were in the back of a small pc scrapbook I bought as empty. Strange coincidence I only recently realised. They are from 2. Ldst.-I.-Ers.-Btn. Hamburg (IX Krp.28 Btn.) Their mutzen display the Landes kokorde of the Hanseatic City of Hamurg. An example can be found in Chip's photo, top row left.
Next type of headgear is the Dienstmutze. It consisted of a black leather visor, for Landsturm the crown was generally well shaped, stiffened and feldgrau or graugrun in color. Utilized the Reich & Landes cockades and cap bands in the same manner as the feldmutze. Usually worn by OR's behind the lines, worn in the feld mostly by NCO's and Officers. There was also a soft version, I believe the type is refered to as crusher type. The next two pc's show members definitely behind the lines, with exampes of both feld / dienstmutzen.
This last pc is of 2 Landsturm guards and Russian POWs, one with oilcloth cap. They are wearing Brigade collar dogs that I am unable to read.
Please feel free to particate, correct errors, or just add your 2 cents.
here is a Württemberg M10 Krätchen.
And the "crusher" pattern you mentioned George, on a Model 1910 Württemberg Officer's Medical Schirmmütze.
I have Dunkelblau examples as well, but these are my favorite wartime examples. T
And the "crusher" pattern you mentioned George, on a Model 1910 Württemberg Officer's Medical Schirmmütze.
I have Dunkelblau examples as well, but these are my favorite wartime examples. T
zipperheads9
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Ok this I will put nice tony pics one day but this is what I picked up today
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0327.jpg
I need some info on this piece ,as does the person I bought it from he was curious as to who used it and more about the cap.He is very knowlagable about Imperial Headgear but this he had questions about ,like the red band on top the officer's type cockade.
I would just like more info on this thought i would post pics for this link.
Also please info on keeping it in good condition as it is oilskin or leather ,very thin leather.
Mark
PS see tony there are shows up here in the north ,I was at one today and met Brian and Margo.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g196/zipperheads9/landdstrum%20head%20gear/IMG_0327.jpg
I need some info on this piece ,as does the person I bought it from he was curious as to who used it and more about the cap.He is very knowlagable about Imperial Headgear but this he had questions about ,like the red band on top the officer's type cockade.
I would just like more info on this thought i would post pics for this link.
Also please info on keeping it in good condition as it is oilskin or leather ,very thin leather.
Mark
PS see tony there are shows up here in the north ,I was at one today and met Brian and Margo.
dave mosher
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Mark:
With the red piping, my thoughts are that your cap is actually an officer's or senior nco's Ledermutze for the Kraftfahr-Bataillon. Can you check inside and see if there had been slots where a cockade had been under the landwehr cross (which is typically not sewn onto a cap)?
Dave
With the red piping, my thoughts are that your cap is actually an officer's or senior nco's Ledermutze for the Kraftfahr-Bataillon. Can you check inside and see if there had been slots where a cockade had been under the landwehr cross (which is typically not sewn onto a cap)?
Dave
zipperheads9
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I will do that this after noon as i plan on taking a few more pics of inside anyway.
MArk
MArk
I echo what Dave said. As well, the EK is off a Pickelhaube chicken, not a Landsturm EK which were always sewn on at the tips of the EK arms. However, this is great cap. Way to go!
I am not really sure it is in fact Kraftfahr, only one row of red piping? T
I am not really sure it is in fact Kraftfahr, only one row of red piping? T
zipperheads9
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The cockades is an Officer's but I can not get into thhe rear of it . I see what you mean about the cross and did notice it when I bought it ,but it came that way and I don't want to do anything but display this piece .
Where the cross sits there are no other holes.
The person i bought this from brought a Leib hussars Reserve mutze EM Private purchase .the only question I had was the NCO style cockade it was larger and flter then i am normal to seeing ,sorry no pics.The prussian cockade was the typical resrve style Prussian one.
MArk
Where the cross sits there are no other holes.
The person i bought this from brought a Leib hussars Reserve mutze EM Private purchase .the only question I had was the NCO style cockade it was larger and flter then i am normal to seeing ,sorry no pics.The prussian cockade was the typical resrve style Prussian one.
MArk
Hi,
I tried reading the picture on the first site of this thread.There is a picture with some soldiers that bears some lines on,it is too hard to read to not make it a mere guess.All I can read well is the word Feldwebel and Untffz thrice.
Then there is the postcard,again the scan makes it hard to read,but this is what I understand of it
Recipient: Johann Maier
.....I also want to tell you that we leave Munich on Tuesday.We are then heading for enemy territory....Thanks to god I am all well,there is a serious time about to come for me.Best Wishes for your Mrs. Mother. Fare Well...
Best
AR
I tried reading the picture on the first site of this thread.There is a picture with some soldiers that bears some lines on,it is too hard to read to not make it a mere guess.All I can read well is the word Feldwebel and Untffz thrice.
Then there is the postcard,again the scan makes it hard to read,but this is what I understand of it
Recipient: Johann Maier
.....I also want to tell you that we leave Munich on Tuesday.We are then heading for enemy territory....Thanks to god I am all well,there is a serious time about to come for me.Best Wishes for your Mrs. Mother. Fare Well...
Best
AR
zipperheads9
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I have a couple oof quetions should I find the proper cross for the piece ? Why is the officers style nation cockade on th bottom? Should it not be a state? I have a pic and grouping to a Kraftfahr but he has a Felt topped headgear.
Mark
Mark
zipperheads9
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/this is the item number for the Oilskin Landstrum cap
Code: 29195 It is listed under headgear at regimentals .uk .
this was a reference sent by the fellow that I purchased the my landwher cap from ,he is now on the forum.
Mark
PS his call sign is Stahlhelm
Code: 29195 It is listed under headgear at regimentals .uk .
this was a reference sent by the fellow that I purchased the my landwher cap from ,he is now on the forum.
Mark
PS his call sign is Stahlhelm
joerookery
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Here is aguy from Landsturm XIX 20 -- Ldst.-1st Btl. Rochlitz formed August 1915, with a spikeless helmet. Also he has his numbers on the overcoat. Size of overcoat proves one size fits all.
I love this thread guys and have learned much. Please keep it going. Joe I believe that the picture above confirms reports of alien/Martian involvement in WW1. That little guy must have belonged to the Extra Terrestrial Corps!!! I swear those ears are pointed. He looks like the little Martian that used to get Fred Flintstone in trouble! Brian
joerookery
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A close up of the Uberzug. A dealer marked this bavarian landwehr on the back.
joerookery
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Here is a very unusual one.
Here we have a picture of three Korporalschaften from second company second platoon. Finding platoon designations seems very rare. It gets better though, because these landsturm guys are going to RJR56. It also refers to them as Landsturm Jungens. Now we all know that Landsturm included those who were between the ages of 17 and 20 and indeed this picture shows a large group of very young men. Not sure I remember seeing young landsturm guys brought together for inclusion in an RJR.
This picture of the helmeted staff shows three different kinds of pickelhaube. Most interesting to me is that the senior guy has a landwehr cross, the others do not.
Here we have a picture of three Korporalschaften from second company second platoon. Finding platoon designations seems very rare. It gets better though, because these landsturm guys are going to RJR56. It also refers to them as Landsturm Jungens. Now we all know that Landsturm included those who were between the ages of 17 and 20 and indeed this picture shows a large group of very young men. Not sure I remember seeing young landsturm guys brought together for inclusion in an RJR.
This picture of the helmeted staff shows three different kinds of pickelhaube. Most interesting to me is that the senior guy has a landwehr cross, the others do not.
Wyliecoyote
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Joe
I like the uncommon Y straps he has. Does any one know what type they are?
Geo
I like the uncommon Y straps he has. Does any one know what type they are?
Geo
Wyliecoyote said:
George you are going to laugh; that is a bread bag strap.
Wyliecoyote
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:laughing3:
Yup, I am laughing, necessity is the mother of invention, what ever works in the field.
I came across this undated pc of a Landsturm NCO w/ fabric wachstuchmutze. Hard to tell for sure, but this mutze looks like it has piping.
Yup, I am laughing, necessity is the mother of invention, what ever works in the field.
I came across this undated pc of a Landsturm NCO w/ fabric wachstuchmutze. Hard to tell for sure, but this mutze looks like it has piping.
Hey George,Wyliecoyote said:
The most common use of the bread bag strap was to support the ammo pouches when the tornister was not worn, I do not remember seeing a photo of a bread bag on the strap. also, in the book "The German at Beaumant Hamel" there is a translation of a battle order telling that the bread bag strap was also used as a lanyard for the P08.
Gus