Landsturm Headgear

zipperheads9 said:
Joe is he not wearing Bavarian buttons on the M1910 unic? I can not make out the bukle .
Hi MArk,
I think that you are right, those are Bavarian buttons, the buckle would be difficult to tell from a Prussian, as the only differance is the motto.
Gus
 
Not headgear but a nice armband from Trawnik,
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Zippy alerted me to this postcard. A picture of the band Ldst.-1-Btl. Wetzlar (XVIII 6). Taken in Antwerp in Jan 1916. (note collar #'s) What has my interest is the uberzug #. I am actually building an article on Uberzugs and this one brings up an interesting thought. Infantry regiment #'s seem easy. but in Jan 1916 these guys;
Had a number.
It was their Landsturm Bn # in the corps.
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joerookery said:
this one brings up an interesting thought. Infantry regiment #'s seem easy. but in Jan 1916 these guys; Had a number. It was their Landsturm Bn # in the corps.

This is always the case as far as I know. For Line Regiments the Überzug number will match the shoulder straps, except of course if the regt was cyphered, for Reserve the number under the "R" on the Überzug will match the number on the straps, and even for for Landwehr the number under the "L" also matches the number on the collar.

But like the Line and Reserve Jäger Battalions, the Landsturm were also organized in Battalions attached to Armee-Korps, so the on M1915 Überzug the Battalion number under the EK matches the Battalion (large bottom) number on the collar.
 
joerookery said:
Did the Landwehr units all have numbers on the collar?
As far as I know, only Landsturm wore numbers on the collar. Everyone else, including Landwehr, wore their unit affiliation on the straps, unless they were Garde of which many were blank. I have a lot of photos of L Überzug, the numbers are always on the straps.

joerookery said:
So just wondering outloud.... did the 22JR have the same marking on the Uberzug as PB22? Then we have
L, R, cross, E. Then we have corps markings.

Yes, in theory, you could not tell a IR from a PB. Don't forget the Roman Numerals and I saw a photo once with an "MD" Überzug. God knows what that was, I kick myself for not buying it! :angry4:
 
Hey Gzu
Prussia wore crown buttons and Bavaria wore the Lion rampant ,as I remember . As for the buckle In true Fuest takes more space the Gott Mitt Uns.
Mark
 
Hi Zippy,
In Johan Sommers'book there is a photo of a Bav buckel that has the same arch in the lettering as the Prussian buckel, looking at the photo, I get the impression that the inscription ends with a "T" and that would be logical to have a Bav buckel with the type of buttons on his tunic
Gus
 
joerookery said:
I am actually building an article on Uberzugs
Hi Joe:

I don't mean to steal your thunder, and I have a few Überzüge (I think this is the correct plural) which I will be happy to contribute to your article. However, it is worth mentioning that Tony has provided rather an excellent overview on the subject at Kaiser's Bunker.

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/pt/uberzug.htm

It's well worth a look.

Chas.
 
Well that's well done! Great job Tony! :thumb up: It's brand new too. It wasn't there the other day when I actually looked. There are some really nice pictures there. The MD helmet cover it is a new one.

I will still drive on with mine. I am in no rush, but I have a different twist. What is really great about Tony's article is that it is not in any reference book to that detail that I'm aware of.

This week is the start of college for our daughter and I will get some relief in my office from the piles of stuff that Janet has dropped in here. We had contractors build her a scrapbook room this last week. So she now has all the drawers and counter space she wants. :hello1:
 
joerookery said:
It's brand new too. It wasn't there the other day when I actually looked.

Actually, it was done a while ago, but I forgot to upload the new index page. duh. :tard: At any rate, your articles tend to be more detailed than mine Joe, I read them all and enjoy them. So they compliment each other. Mine are more the "quick reference" catagory. T
 
Just wanted to congradulate Tony on the Uberzug reference. It is by far the best reference I have used to date. It is also very user friendly.

Thanks for this terrific reference tool Tony!

:salute:

Gus & Tony

I have since scrutinized my pc collection and noticed more than a few bread bag straps supporting the ammo pouches. Learn something new darn near everytime I log in.

Geo
 
A very interesting thread to this newbie. I'm donating the photo for your use if interested, but have no information to share. It came out of the "family shoe box" with nothing on the back. So typical! Enjoy, Larry

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