M.16 Camouflage Stahlhelm

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My latest find is this German M.16 camouflage stahlhelm a variation without the black dividing lines the helmet is stamped E.T.64 Eisenhüttenwerk Thale size 64 it still has the soldier's name in the neck.

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Thanks for the photos! Nice looking example, I wonder why they crossed the date off... or wait, maybe it was the unit number? Than that would make sense.

:D Ron
 
Ar first sight I like the outside very much but the liner ring looks to thick :-k and the pads have a strange look also :-k ... I hope it's the pictures and I also hope it's me being wrong but the liner looks like a reproduction... Can you please provide some detailed pictures?
Then looking at the camo paint, it seems the camo is at some places painted over scratches in the original paint (see att. picture). The camo paint seems to have almost no or "new" damage while the original feldgrau paint has a lot of wear an scratches... This is a serious red flag for me.
Sorry to be the guy with the other opinion but that's what I see... I really hope I'm wrong...

Adler 1

 
Hi Karel many thanks for your input dont feel bad about your opinion to be honest it was my first opinion also about the liner the ring is indeed very thick and the stitching is very white after a good exam i am pretty sure that the liner is a repro and i dont trust the camo also anymore so the helmet is back to the former owner , if it doesnt feel good it is not good.
 
I agree with Adler 100%, but do have to ask; would not the cammo paint be painted over scratches? The original paint was applied in 1916 and the cammo in the Summer of 1918. Two years of service will put scratches on a helmet.
 
aicusv said:
I agree with Adler 100%, but do have to ask; would not the cammo paint be painted over scratches? The original paint was applied in 1916 and the cammo in the Summer of 1918. Two years of service will put scratches on a helmet.
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That is indeed possible and perhaps is the camo good but my feeling about it is not good anymore.
 
It's indeed possible, but since the camo has no wear at all, it's very suspicious... Combine this with the repro liner and you end up wit just a shell that's been overpainted...
Just my two cents of course...

Adler
 
I didn’t want to be the guy who was gonna rain on your parade, but right away the paint job looks wrong, the brown color has less scratches than the rest, that’s just not possible.

Be very careful with camo helmets, there are a lot of Picasso’s out there.

I’m glad you could return it.
 
Yes indeed camo helmets can be a tricky business especially after a few beers :D

Thanks for all your comments Gents :thumb up: .
 
I didn’t want to be the guy who was gonna rain on your parade, but right away the paint job looks wrong, the brown color has less scratches than the rest, that’s just not possible.

Be very careful with camo helmets, there are a lot of Picasso’s out there.

I’m glad you could return it.
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Well, I didn't want to be that guy eighter, but what's best... giving only thumbs up on something that's not ok or telling the truth about a piece? I know, most of the time we don't reply when something is not ok but let's be honest... nobody learns something and the faker has yet sold another bad piece... That's not what a good forum is about.

I 've through the years also had my part of bad acquisitions and I was always glad when someone pointed out what was wrong with them. Usually I got my money back, but at the end I also have learned something...

First of all: Study the subject and gain a lot of knowledge to prevent other wrong purchases in the future.

Secondly: When you have any doubt, let it go.

Third advice: When it looks to good to be true, it usually is (there are exceptions of course)...

Fourth important thing: Don't drink while doing business :-" ...

And last but not least: Try to become an expert in what you collect and maybe it's sometimes better to narrow the area of collecting. One can't be the best in everything (but please don't stop trying of course)...

Adler
 
Good or bad news your opinions wil always be appreciated thats how we can learn and dont make the same mistake again.
 
Well spoken by all members here, on this piece, excellent comments. It is better to know the truth than to live with a faked helmet in your collection. We all make mistakes no matter how long we have been collecting, it is part of the "hunt". C'est la vie!
 
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