Philippe,It seems to be clear for you but not for the other member ... at least not for me. Why are they copies ? Could you explain the point that is wrong with this cocardes please !
I believe that the Kokarden could go either way. Here are a few tips that I use when trying to determine originality. First, the Kokarden were stamped instead of cast, so if they look cast (bubbles, subdued areas, etc) they are not original to that helmet. Anything older than 1860 bears closer scrutiny. Second, since the Kokarden were stamped the flare on the inside hole goes outward toward the chinstrap fitting. The first reverse photo you have looks good to me. The second reverse photo shows that the flare has been turned back inward. That inward turn is usually a sign to me that it is a reproduction. Third, take a look at the rust. You can often tell old rust from new (buried in the backyard) rust. I can't really explain this, but maybe you can understand what I mean. Last, you should weigh the Kokarden. I have found, 100% of the time with new repops, that a reproduction Kokarde weighs almost twice as much as an original, even if it is stamped. All that being said, these Kokarden are very convincing.It seems to be clear for you but not for the other member ... at least not for me. Why are they copies ? Could you explain the point that is wrong with this cocardes please !
I did not say that chinstrap also is a reproduction, only both cockades. We have on our French forum a very very long observation thread of a member who had made a special study about all pattern of cokades, with a lot of comparaison picts. He also bought all sorts of copies on the todays market and showed us the differences between good and bad. There are a few different patterns of original cockades. Some patterns have been reproduced, some others not. And: there are today some people who are able to alter some new reproduction cockades, with such an "original looking" patina that are fooling most collectors. This member is Clovis and he is also on this forum.Philippe,
Besides explaining why the cockades are old reproductions, why do you mention that the chinstrap is a reproduction? There are not enough pictures to indicate the chinstrap is a repop.