M49 Hessian

[coert65]

No it‘s getting interesting. In my opinion this is the same helmet which Clovis 57 has posted earlier, and was offered at least twice by HW during the last years. It has these distinctive scratches around the Wappen. Once with and once without 1621 banner…

Best wishes

GardeUlan

I have nothing against herr Weitze, but it is known that sometimes he is creative with helmets.

 

[GardeUlan]

I have nothing against herr Weitze, but it is known that sometimes he is creative with helmets.

I was not precise enough. HW sold the helmet without the banner twice.

 

[coert65]

I was not precise enough. HW sold the helmet without the banner twice.

Well, your post, which I quoted was clear enough.

 

[Nacuaa]

Wonderful helmets, the older ones fascinate me. Am I correct that the one with the silver star plate is Sachsen Meiningen? Would it also be possible to see a close-up photo when convenient?

Yes, Here are some photos.

 

[KAGGR#1]

I asked another collector who is authoritative on these helmets. He believes that it is a Hesse-Darmstadt schlossgarde or palace guard helmet but more research is needed to confirm 100%. Thank you Amy, I've really enjoyed researching your helmet and learned a lot about these that I didn't know. I've attached a painting of Grossherzog Ludwig III 1806-1877. The portrait is from 1857 just eight years after this model helmet was introduced. Here's a link to some information on the palace of the grand dukes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_Palace_Darmstadt. Also here are helmets I collect from this period. They are very hard to find but I love this history so I also research it with 70 mm zinnfiguren toy soldiers of the armies from the period recast from the original molds as well. Many "lost" early molds were rediscovered in former East Germany after unification so its essentially a new field.

Your helmets are in A 1 condition
My favorite is the Grenadier Regt 9
as I really like the Prussian Grenadiers
What is the parade miter just below your soldier display ?
Thanks
Steve

 

[Zebedeus]

Yes, Here are some photos.

Wonderful helmet. It's really magnificent.

 

[Nacuaa]

Your helmets are in A 1 condition
My favorite is the Grenadier Regt 9
as I really like the Prussian Grenadiers
What is the parade miter just below your soldier display ?
Thanks
Steve

Its an old 1776 Hessian re-enactors fusilier helmet I got many years ago. Its all stamped brass work however and I love it. Remarkable how close the lion is to the Hessian M46 --- like direct continuity.

 

[MoDog1]

Yes, Here are some photos.

Thank you, a fantastic helmet.

 

[Nacuaa]

Thank you for your interest and appreciation!!!!!!

 

[southsando]

Those are some great pieces of history!

 

[Amybellars]

Here's some of my early helmets. Ignore the kurassier next to the early hannover as I couldn't find a permanent space for it as yet

 

[Nacuaa]

Thanks Amy, Really great! I love to study your photos and consult your collection frequently.

 

[Sandmann]

Fantastic collections of old helmets. Thank you all for sharing

 

[JPT]

Oui, voici quelques photos.

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha isn't it ?

 

[2nd.Leibhusar]

....just fabulous!

 

[KAGGR#1]

Its an old 1776 Hessian re-enactors fusilier helmet I got many years ago. Its all stamped brass work however and I love it. Remarkable how close the lion is to the Hessian M46 --- like direct continuity.

Photo of it for us to see ?
Thanks
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

Here's some of my early helmets. Ignore the kurassier next to the early hannover as I couldn't find a permanent space for it as yetView attachment 55355View attachment 55356

Amy
That is a great collection !
thank you for the post and photos
Steve

 

[Nacuaa]

Photo of it for us to see ?
Thanks
Steve

I think this one may date back to the 1970's. Design rooted in Late 18th century fascination with "orientalism" that carries through into the 19th century and the pickelhaube.
See:

Hessian Miter Cap

Physical DescriptionCloth body with brass fittings and a cap plate. The straw-colored cloth matches the regimental facings on their uniforms. The brass finial, supports, and crown are stamped with a variety of military symbols.

americanhistory.si.edu

https://www.amrevmuseum.org/collection/hessian-cap-plates

 

[J.LeBrasseur]

Great stuff, Amy that collection of older helmets is stunning!

James

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Here's a photo of one, not as tall and probably a later model, that has the small cap on the top.
View attachment 55294

Thank you for proving ... that I was right.
The helmet you show is the same one I showed just before !!! The cracks on the schell are exactly the same.
Except that if Helmut was selling it as is, some little magician turned it into a 115 Leib, by adding the 1621 banner, in a completely whimsical and anachronistic way !!!!
A close look at this banner might well reveal a contemporary reproduction, as can be found at Spickehelmets for example...

Spikehelmets - Hesse

spikehelmets.pl

Fortunately, there are still a few old collectors... who are passionate... about the truth... But older models are much more difficult to identify, they are rarer to observe and there is less documentation. Fortunately, there are the forums!