Model 1867 Grenadier

Lost Skeleton

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The following is revised from a basic inquiry addressing the nature of a repair to the Adler Wappen. I decided the helmet itself might also prove worthy of interest.

To begin once more with the Wappen, at some point the eagle lost its head and a replacement was soldered in place. The brass bridge joining the two halves is bright while the solder appears period. Is the repair contemporary or modern?

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Though configured as a Model 1867 Pickelhaube, the helmet features grommet holes rather than surface mounted anchors for the Wappen attachment. For a superb explanation of that design, I recommend Tony's analysis:

http://www.kaisersbunker.com/pe/m1867.htm

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Two regularly shaped extra holes are present, as well as a third that appears to be related to damage. All three have been plugged. Most likely, this represents a retrofitting to the established threaded bolt and nut Wappen system which was officially revived for the Model 1871 Pickelhaube.

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The manufacturer of this particular helmet was "J. B. Dotti." The name appears inside the crown and impressed in the visor trim.

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The rear visor is marked, but difficult to interpret. The Wappen would indicate Colbergisches Grenadier Regiment Graf Gneisenau (2. Pommersches) Nr. 9. A "2" and "9" are legible and the "Grt" may represent an abbreviation of Grenadier Regiment, but it's largely Greek to me.

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Despite the questions, this old timer displays quite well.

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Chas.
 
Lost Skeleton said:
Despite the questions, this old timer displays quite well.
You are correct. it displays wonderfully. Your superb photography helps too. Did you see my latest M67 Chas? link here>> http://pickelhaubes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2826

I have this hypothesis (based on nothing but opinion) that the M67 slider sytem would have been the norm for manufacture for new helmets with after that date. However, it makes perfect sense that some of the more unique unit M1860 Wappens, would continue to be added to the new M67 shells shells. Why make new Wappen or modify M1860 Wappen to add on sliders, when the old post & nut worked fine?

As Eric and I discussed in my M67 thread, it appears that Sachsen (Saxony) Baden and Hesse did not use the M67 slider system at all, and I think you can include some of these funky Bandeaued units in that catagory as well.
 
Hi Tony:

Thanks for bringing your newest 1867 to my attention. Somehow, I overlooked the thread. How are the slider receivers on your Grenadier and Oldenburg helmets attached to the shell, with prongs or threaded fasteners?

Chas.
 
Lost Skeleton said:
How are the slider receivers on your Grenadier and Oldenburg helmets attached to the shell, with prongs or threaded fasteners?
As far as I know, all M67 male slider receivers are held on with flat prongs, which is actually the upper and lower part of the stamping. It is really very crude but effective. Sorry for the crappy photo, it is snowing like mad here. Spring? What spring?

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Tony & Kaiser said:
Spring? What spring?
I hear you. Things are only marginally better at this end. Thanks, the picture shows exactly what I wanted to know. When one thinks about it, making those precision slits in such substantial leather was no simple task.

Chas. :thumb up:
 
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