- Hello friends,
first of all my best wishes and Happy New Year 2009 to all of you here.
And now to my topic:
Time ago I have bought this on eBay and I was happy. But after some days I have started to have some doubts about some aspects of this helmet.I am a bit familiar with prussian infantery issued helmet but not with cavalry and officers one. So I would be happy to know your oppinion and to get some infos from you.Now look at the helmet and then I will depict the aspects I can not understand
1/ the spike is not removable-but by the Dragons use to be -for parade plume.But after getting down the cruciforme base "the gost" reveals that this base there was originaly and not any else:
2/ the Eagle- at first sight it is cleary visible that it is larger or higher to the own helmet.But again-the Ghost says that the plate belongs there.The first thing I did -I have confirmed it with Dragon Reserve Off.helmet on Tony´s Kaiser Bunker and then I reveal another differences:
see the Kaiser Bunker´s link here : http://www.kaisersbunker.com/dunkelblau/helmets/dbh67.htm
1/ the edge of the eagle´s neck is by mine nor serrated
2/ the shape of the tail feathers and knees are different
3/ the scepter of mine is on the upper part doubled
4/ the side line of the wings is "B" shaped
3/ the Kokarde seems to be smaller-is not visible the black central part behind the chinscale-but diametr is correct 51 mm.From reverse there is smaller circle made from fiber or pressed leather or so??-is it correct so?
I will be appreciative for your comments.
best regards,Alexandr
My first Off.Pickelhaube- Dragon Reserv.Officer
- Thread starter Sadowa
- Start date
This helmet is perfect! It exhibits all of the characteristics I would expect to see in a helmet of about 1880- I'll detail them. First, do not worry about the affixed spike; this helmet was for daily wear and the owner would have had another for parade (I've generally noted this feature in helmets of this era). Its "stubby" height is also typical of early helmets. I've parted with my early helmets so I can't illustrate this with an example. The cockade is also an early one, and its positioning is correct for a pre-1897 helmet. This type of ring on it, with the single row of angled lines, was later worn exclusively by NCO's, but at this earlier date is often observed worn by officers. The plate is simply spectacular, being of a really nice detailed heavy quality. Had it not been for the calf skin and silk liner vs. the multi-tounged liner of earlier helmets, I would have dated this piece from the 1870's. Congratulations on a rare and beautiful helmet.
I'm sorry, but I just can't say enough about this helmet! The heavy bevelled rear visor covered with real "book quality" leather, and that fine quality liner with its pronounced and beautifully serrated scallops, topped by the thin and crinkly silk head liner, is absolutely in keeping with the era of this helmet. The more I look at that helmet plate, the more I think its the best example I've seen...yummy!
reservist1
Member
Hello Sadowa: A very nice pre 1897 Dragoon reserve officer helmet. For comparison purposes here is a near twin to your helmet.
Reservist1
Reservist1
Both are great examples of a helmet I still do not have, Nice!
Minnesota Slim said:
MY GAWD!!
NOOoooo!!!!
NOOoooooooooooooo!!!!
Sheesh James. You sound like me now. (snort) :blackeye:
Sadowa, marvellous helmet. I really find that collector's develop a preference for the absurdly tall spikes, or the short early spikes on officer examples. And the Kokarde confuses many people, but only when looking backwards. At the time, I'm sure it confused no-one. Congratulations on a great find. Wonderful! Perhaps I could do a side-by-side comparison shot of your Wappen and the one on my site you referred to? It might be interesting. T
spikeymikey
Member
Great score, Sadowa! What a fantastic piece. I guess you're happy again?!!;-)
Adler
New member
Sandowa, you have a great helmet there!
Only one question: Why did you dismantle the helmet? The ghost of the eagle and the imprint of the cruciform base are visible without taking the helmet apart... There is a risk the splitpens of the chinstraps might break by bending them again...
Greetings from Belgium,
Adler
Only one question: Why did you dismantle the helmet? The ghost of the eagle and the imprint of the cruciform base are visible without taking the helmet apart... There is a risk the splitpens of the chinstraps might break by bending them again...
Greetings from Belgium,
Adler
dave mosher
Active member
Sandowa
Here is another twin to your helmet with the single cockade and fixed spike, but with the pre-1880 liner. This type of helmet was also used for Prussian Landwehr-Kavallerie officers. With three perfect examples of the smaller "nco" cockade utilized on older officer helmets, has any one pin-pointed when the larger three-ring "officer" cockades were initially utilized (obviously prior to 1897)?
Regards
Dave
Here is another twin to your helmet with the single cockade and fixed spike, but with the pre-1880 liner. This type of helmet was also used for Prussian Landwehr-Kavallerie officers. With three perfect examples of the smaller "nco" cockade utilized on older officer helmets, has any one pin-pointed when the larger three-ring "officer" cockades were initially utilized (obviously prior to 1897)?
Regards
Dave
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Hi friends,
thanks to all of you for informations- yes,now I am happy of my helmet again.All the clouds of doubts are swept away!
To Arran- this info " helmet was for daily wear and the owner would have had another for parade" this is very valuable info for me.
To Reservist1-very nice helmet-thanks for sharring
To Dave-your Eagle is really twin of mine
To Tony-it would be very good to make the comparison we all will be looking forward to.
To Adler- the parts are get back without any damage
Thanks again to all of you-let us spend this night in good condition-Happy New Year!!!!
Alexandr
Forwarded for Bruno:
Your helmet is perfectly genuine and excellent. Congratulations.
I have attached pictures of his cousin. It is an older model Oldenburg
Dragoner officer helmet. See the similarities with yours (shape, short
spike, cockade...). The only problem of mine is that it is missing the
reserve cross (but the holes are present), and I have not yet found one
to add.
Feel free to post my pictures on the forum if you want.
Best wishes for 2009,
Bruno
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Gaius Germanicus
New member
Thank you for posting this helmet and it is a real beauty & absolutely perfect. I am new to the site and the information you provided was of great help to me as yesterday I found at a shop a helmet almost exactly the same except it had the Prussian eagle plate with no motto or cross on it . I have not owned a picklehaube in over 20yrs so was unsure of it's correctness as it had the fixed spike and single cockade. I am sure it is correct now after seeing yours as they are virtually identical thank you again and everyone here for the font of information
Anton
Anton
b.loree said:
Well shucks Mr. Loree, some photo shore would be nice.
See also this thread >> http://www.pickelhaubes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3844
Gaius Germanicus
New member
Hi Alexandr , Thank you and it's a great site, there are so many beautiful helmets it makes your head spin!
When I get a camera I'll take some pictures but I need to do a bit of work on it first as the stiching has seperated in some areas and I'll want to steam it to reshape it better...
I had not owned one of these in years and this is only the second officer I have ever had as most of the time when I found them back then they were the standard grey metal EM type...
When I get a camera I'll take some pictures but I need to do a bit of work on it first as the stiching has seperated in some areas and I'll want to steam it to reshape it better...
I had not owned one of these in years and this is only the second officer I have ever had as most of the time when I found them back then they were the standard grey metal EM type...