OffizerStellvertreter

KAGGR#1

KAGGR#1

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Two new straps to add to the collection
this rank of OffizerStellvertreter is my favorite
an enlisted man trying to move up in rank
He gets the special tressa and the cloth part of his strap
is now metal insignia or number
These two were from a friend's collection who passed away.
Jim Hall
They came from the seller who is moving Jim's collection
I think they are K R 4 and Telegraph
Jim always did his research and put an I D tag on his straps
It is too bad that the seller removed Jim's tag that was on the # 4 strap
SteveOfficer S T 4 T.JPG
 
Yes Steve, it was a ‘wartime’ functional employment, often a Feldwebel or a Wachtmeister, to replace a Leutnant killed in action at the front.
 
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CLOVIS 57 said:
Yes Steve, it was a ‘wartime’ rank; often a Feldwebel or a Wachtmeister, to replace a Leutnant killed in action at the front.
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Clovis
Thank you for the post and the information.
A collector friend had once told me that he always thought that
it was only a wartime rank?
However I have seen this rank in prewar use.
I even have a Wurttemberg Infantry Waffenrock complete in that rank
with shoulder straps.
Steve
 
I know that there was a special fonction of Company Adjutant (Portepee), a sort of second lieutenant, and other ranks between Portepee and Subaltern Officer. As a collector of spiked helmets, I can only testify to my personal helmets as an offizierstellvertreter. The wearers were mobilised as Feldwebel, Wize-Feldwebel or Wachtmeister and were appointed 0ffizierstellvertreter a few months after the outbreak of war, without having to pass the Juncker or Fähnrich officer training school.

Argonne (Philippe) will be able to tell you more.
 
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Offizierstellvertreter is NOT a rank. It is a function / position. Only applied in war time but has still exist on the paper in peace time.
This function was mostly accorded to Vizefeldwebel der Reserve (überzähliger Feldwebel) who formally first were OYV before the war.
Philippe
 
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Steve,

I am wondering if your prewar Waffenrock was used by an early WW1 appointment to the rank serving in the Ersatz-Bataillon and still utilising the blue tunic.

Incidentally, the Offizierstellvertreter could and was appointed additionally from the active rank of Fähnrich and Fahnenjunker (Unteroffizier), Vizefeldwebel and Unteroffiziere (Reserve and Landwehr) who held the qualification certificate for promotion to commissioned rank and former aspirant officers.

Active Feldwebel and Vizefeldwebel could also be appointed as could also retired former active non commissioned officers.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glennj said:
Steve,

I am wondering if your prewar Waffenrock was used by an early WW1 appointment to the rank serving in the Ersatz-Bataillon and still utilising the blue tunic.

Incidentally, the Offizierstellvertreter could and was appointed additionally from the active rank of Fähnrich and Fahnenjunker (Unteroffizier), Vizefeldwebel and Unteroffiziere (Reserve and Landwehr) who held the qualification certificate for promotion to commissioned rank and former aspirant officers.

Active Feldwebel and Vizefeldwebel could also be appointed as could also retired former active non commissioned officers.

Regards
Glenn
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Glenn
I have a fairly large collection of Officer S / T shoulder straps.
While quite a few are war time
there are also some that to me are pre war.
Take a look and let me knowOfficer S T 1.JPGOfficer S T tray 2.JPGOfficer S T 3.JPGOfficer S T 4.JPG what you think
Steve
 
Steve,

I assume in most cases, that the "pre-war" straps were worn early in the war by those individuals still wearing the peacetime uniform. The dress regulations are explicit; "Those non-commissioned officers entrusted with an officers' position at the commencement of or during mobilisation wear the uniform and equipment of the Vizefeldwebel with the insignia for the Offizier-Stellvertreter." It is of course a possibility that some examples were already made up and held in the unit clothing stores for just such an occurrence.

Regards
Glenn
 
Glennj said:
Steve,

I assume in most cases, that the "pre-war" straps were worn early in the war by those individuals still wearing the peacetime uniform. The dress regulations are explicit; "Those non-commissioned officers entrusted with an officers' position at the commencement of or during mobilisation wear the uniform and equipment of the Vizefeldwebel with the insignia for the Offizier-Stellvertreter." It is of course a possibility that some examples were already made up and held in the unit clothing stores for just such an occurrence.

Regards
Glenn
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Glenn
Thanks for the input.
Something else comes to mind with me about my Officer S / T Waffenrock
I R 124 straps prewar were red. The straps on my Waffenrock are white
so, this was after the changeover when the Infantry went to all white straps.
Steve
 
What a wonderful display of OffizierStellvertreter straps. As much as I like this rank Ive yet to acquire a tunic of this rank. I seems these do come up from time to time.

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