Opinions on Wappen

Peter B

Peter B

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Seeking opinions on this wappen. Have never had one of this type. Thinking of bidding on it. Some strange work on the back with the weird middle fastener etc.

Thought?

Thanks.

Peter


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The eagle seems to be original, but the center bolt is modern with Iso thread. Look at the different thread pitches when comparing it with the outer bolts. Maybe it was added to screw the eagle on a display board or something like that?
 
I agree with Sandy. We absolutely must remove this modern central screw. To do so, heat the FWR part on the front side while pulling on the nut with pliers. As soon as the tin stuck to the brass melts, all the tin will come off with the screw. Once this is done, immediately place the plate on a sponge or wet cloth to stop the heat from spreading to the two side fasteners. The part where the central screw was soldered will simply remain “tinned.”

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Sandmann said:
The eagle seems to be original, but the center bolt is modern with Iso thread. Look at the different thread pitches when comparing it with the outer bolts. Maybe it was added to screw the eagle on a display board or something like that?
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Exactly. Modern thread to bolt it to a board or whatever. Plus look at that giant blob of solder. No chance that was done by a manufacturer. In my opinion that does not affect the value.
 
Tony without Kaiser said:
Exactement. Un filetage moderne pour le fixer sur une carte ou autre. Et puis, regardez cette énorme goutte de soudure ! Impossible que ce soit un fabricant. À mon avis, cela n'affecte pas sa valeur.
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A little bit, but mainly it prevents you from attaching this eagle to a helmet!
 
Clovis has a good suggestion for removing the stud and the majority of the solder. I would suggest to clamp the end of the threaded stud with vise grips and clamp the vise grip handle in a bench vise allowing the wappen to hang freely below. Then gradually heat the stud until the wappen drops free. There will be solder remaining on the wappen that can be carefully removed by using a small burr or diamond bit in a Dremel rotary tool. This method allows the least amount of discoloration to the gilding and original finish. Alternately, the Dremel could be used for the entire procedure, thereby eliminating any heat discoloration.

Ron
 
Person could also use solder remover tape. This is a type of mesh copper. Comes in a small roll. Apply flux, place on old solder and heat with a solder stick. It literally sucks up old solder. Works very well.
 
The solder removal tape Tony mentions is braided copper and works well. The fine strands heat up quickly and allow the solder to travel from the thicker wappen to the braid and you throw the tape away. Another option is to purchase small plastic pipets. They have a bulb which you squeeze closed and when the solder is molten, you touch the tip of the pipet to the solder and quickly release the squeeze on the bulb to suck the solder into the pipet. These are throw away pipets and may require several to get all the solder off. There is a metal solder sucker available used in the electronic industry that does the same thing and is cleanable for re-use. Just remember, heat usually discolors the original gold gilding.

Ron
 
There is also a device called a "solder sucker" which literally sucks heated liquid solder up into its tube when triggered....Canadian Tire Pete
 
So Mr. Impatient (that would be me) decided to buy a Wappen from James. I'll still bid on the one above in this thread but was worried I might not win.

Now some may hate this but here is the before and after of the Grenadier Wappen from James. (Okay pictures ended up after then before).

I love how it tuned out with a little bit of cleaning. No polishing involved.

Peter

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