Painted Pickelhaube.. Your opinion please.

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Desolate181

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Hi guys,
I would like your opinion on this one. Is it original and if so, something special?
There are no extra holes in the helmet and the shield seems to have been there for a long time. The pin however is a slightly different tint of green.
What would be its value?

Thanks :)

Jo

p.s. sorry for the bad pics :oops:

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Jo,

This looks to me to be a fireman's helmet. The visor trim on both sides and the flattened stud are typical of Fireman's conversions. Photographs seem to indicate that Hesse used Prussian wappen when short. just my two cents.
 
It does have fireman characteristics as joe pointed out but....is it marked JR168?? The date is clear in the pic but not the other markings. This was a Hessen Regt. Brian
 
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

I'm not an expert and new in to pickelhaubes, but I was wondering why a fireman would paint/camouflage his helmet?

The seller told me they painted it, instead of having to use the cover. Is this correct? Was it a common thing?

What would be a good price to pay for it? (it would be my first pickel, and I think I'm already addicted :D )

Sorry for all the questions, but I still have to learn a lot!!
 
Desolate181 said:
What would be a good price to pay for it? (it would be my first pickel, and I think I'm already addicted
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It is worth the price of the Wappen. In my opinion anyone who owns one of these and thinks they converted Fireman helmets to Pickelhaubes is in denial. I assume these are all 1930s fire helmets that have been magically made into 'Ersatz' helmets in the last 30 years.

If this is your first Pickelhaube, then please, buy a 'regulation' example.

My advice every time for buying:

1. The seller's description means nothing. Repeat: The seller's description means NOTHING. Do not believe a seller's description of anything you are looking at. Use your eyes to look at the item, use references, use my web site, this web site, Joe's site, compare to originals, and decide for yourself WHAT it is and IF it is correct and original.

2. If it is not correct and regulation (or accepted as such) , do not rationalize "well they could have...." etc. Just do not buy it. If you buy it, you will always have to 'explain; it.

3. If you buy a low cost and low quality item, you will always have a low value item. When you buy junk, you own junk. If you spend a bit more and get good condition item with all original parts, the value will escalate, and you will enjoy it more.

Good luck! Tony http://www.kaisersbunker.com
 
I believe that Tony has summed things up here...if you buy an odd ball helmet that is not recognized as legit in the collector community then you are buying into a world of hurt. There are no pics of such a helmet being worn in either the reference books or originals from the period that I know of. This may be legit but the presence of the paint on the exterior and especially the extra visor trim on the rear visor should convince you to stay away from this helmet. That is why I enquired about the regt numbers. Too many excuses have to be made about this helmet to make it legit! Brian
 
You're so right about the sellers, sometimes they even believe themselves what they are saying..

I do prefer original regulation items, but just had to ask about this one. I was curious about the paintjob because I had never seen one..
As for condition, I don't mind it being old and worn.. I even like rusty relics. But you're right about the value...

I have some knowledge about WW2 stuff and steel helmets, but this is a hole new world.. as I said, I have a lot to learn...

Thanks for all the help and I hope you guys don't mind me posting a couple of other pics later on.

I'm gonna take a look at Tony's site now :)

Geetings

Jo
 
2. If it is not correct and regulation (or accepted as such) , do not rationalize "well they could have...." etc. Just do not buy it. If you buy it, you will always have to 'explain; it.
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This is so absolutely true. I sometimes wish I had the discipline to follow it all the time. :)
 
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