Palestine Theater M1896 Tropenhelm

Busy day, but I'll have some time later to take some photos. I honestly can't tell one SS decal from another and don't understand how some guys can, but when it comes to the shapes of sun helmets it is something I can just spot.

Re - identifying SS decals - you develop an eye for the print, shape, and other minute details after studying hundreds in hand and hundreds more online. Like how you’ve developed an eye for the shape of sun helmets, I couldn’t tell you one from the other but you’ve developed a trustworthy eye for them.
 
Wasn't there some discussion on this forum some years ago about German officers having private purchase French and American helmets?
 
Wasn't there some discussion on this forum some years ago about German officers having private purchase French and American helmets?
In my opinion, this is a myth made up by dealers a decade ago to justify the fakes. Think about the global politics, German officers weren't going to buy French helmets. And where would they buy them? Germany was exporting arms and equipment, so I can't imagine it would have been acceptable. I imagine Joe and Gus would have more insight than I do on this matter. The British hat makers did sell helmets in their colonies, and I'm sure the same was true with the French, but were German officers traveling through those colonies?

As for the American helmets, I seriously doubt it. Again, where would the helmets have been purchased? The U.S. wasn't exactly exporting these things around the world. The only countries that I have confirmed used American-made helmets were Mexico, strange as it seems, Canada (in likely minimal numbers), and Denmark! Yes, Denmark... it still had the Virgin Islands until 1917, and my research found that the Danes stationed there acquired a small handful of American helmets. I bet the number is fewer than a couple dozen. Clive Law and I spoke about the Canadians using American helmets. I initially doubted they were real, thinking it was a case of helmets with badges added. However, he suggested that Canada was facing a need and may have acquired a small batch. As for Mexico, I don't know when/how they obtained the helmets, but it was sometime in the late 19th century. Mexico bought surplus arms from the U.S., so maybe it was part of a larger deal. I've seen the photos of Mexicans wearing the helmets.

Here is the other part of it: all of these French/American helmets appear to be in excellent shape. You're telling me that an officer bought a helmet and then didn't need it?

Again, Joe, Gus, and others might have better numbers, but we need to understand that the German colonial forces were relatively small. Did they really need to purchase these foreign helmets, which amazingly survived?
 
In my opinion, this is a myth made up by dealers a decade ago to justify the fakes. Think about the global politics, German officers weren't going to buy French helmets. And where would they buy them? Germany was exporting arms and equipment, so I can't imagine it would have been acceptable. I imagine Joe and Gus would have more insight than I do on this matter. The British hat makers did sell helmets in their colonies, and I'm sure the same was true with the French, but were German officers traveling through those colonies?

As for the American helmets, I seriously doubt it. Again, where would the helmets have been purchased? The U.S. wasn't exactly exporting these things around the world. The only countries that I have confirmed used American-made helmets were Mexico, strange as it seems, Canada (in likely minimal numbers), and Denmark! Yes, Denmark... it still had the Virgin Islands until 1917, and my research found that the Danes stationed there acquired a small handful of American helmets. I bet the number is fewer than a couple dozen. Clive Law and I spoke about the Canadians using American helmets. I initially doubted they were real, thinking it was a case of helmets with badges added. However, he suggested that Canada was facing a need and may have acquired a small batch. As for Mexico, I don't know when/how they obtained the helmets, but it was sometime in the late 19th century. Mexico bought surplus arms from the U.S., so maybe it was part of a larger deal. I've seen the photos of Mexicans wearing the helmets.

Here is the other part of it: all of these French/American helmets appear to be in excellent shape. You're telling me that an officer bought a helmet and then didn't need it?

Again, Joe, Gus, and others might have better numbers, but we need to understand that the German colonial forces were relatively small. Did they really need to purchase these foreign helmets, which amazingly survived?
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In my opinion, this is a myth made up by dealers a decade ago to justify the fakes - That makes sense to me.

There were arms dealers that distributed materiel internationally. For example Bannerman offered Bortfeldt helmets in their 1903 catalog.
 

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In my opinion, this is a myth made up by dealers a decade ago to justify the fakes - That makes sense to me.

There were arms dealers that distributed materiel internationally. For example Bannerman offered Bortfeldt helmets in their 1903 catalog.
Thanks for sharing. I never saw the Bortfeldt helmets in the Bannerman catalog. That makes me think that many that survived were sold to "proto-helmet collectors" before WWI. That could explain why they are in North America!
 
Well, after taking a closer look at the remnants of that maker mark embossed in the liner’s leather, it looks like the crown is actually British… which would mean this helmet isn’t of French (or German) manufacture. No idea regarding the model though…

Here’s a closeup of the crown again along with drawings of the (British) Tudor Crown. Same overall design alternating crosses and fleurs de lys…

The question remains as to whether this helmet was genuinely used by German colonial troops or the cockade was added post-period in an attempt to increase its value… looking closely at the cockade’s prongs, it definitely looks like the cockade has been on the helmet for a very long time… there’s also what looks like a stenciled “?.56” inside; which could be the German “depot’s” size conversion of that non-German “4 1/2” size sticker…

Anyway, i’m now seriously contemplating returning the helmet; as i doubt i’ll find solid evidence as to its authenticity.
 

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A European /German size 56 corresponds with the French size 4 1/2. English conversion is 6 7/8.

Note I know nothing about these but I’m not sure the 56 is a German depot size stamp given there is what looks like a lowercase English letter “a” preceding it and the size would correspond to a French size not English yet it has what clearly appears to be an English crown embossed in it.

Either way your probably best returning it to Peter.
 
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