Pattern for an officers pickelhaube liner.
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Pontiac9999
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Unfortunately not. You would have to recreate one that is slightly curved and has all the little half circles on it. It's very time consuming, but highly rewarding!
Tenente
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I have that part done. The shitty liner I took out was shaped like a hockey stick, instead of having a gradual curve. So I made mine with a slight curve, and the scallops on the other side. But I'm not sure how extreme the curve needs to be.
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Pontiac9999
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Here's a little something I worked on a long time ago. I sketched up the liner and made it symmetrical. I measured exact sizes using an existing piece then developed a patter on a large sheet of paper. I added details after and roughly sketched out the circles on top, for which I later used a template to cut them out (which was painstaking and time consuming, but like I said, very rewarding).
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Pontiac9999
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I must have made a couple of versions, perfecting each one before cutting the leather. As I always say, measure 14 times and cut once...lol
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Pontiac9999
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Pontiac9999
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Make paper ones first before cutting out the leather!
Tenente
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I should have done that first. I still have more leather, but I don't want to repeat the same mistake.
Tenente
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Ok, How was this pattern installed? I mean where on the helmet s outer rim do you place the extreme bell curves that you have here?
Sandmann
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Interesting post, but I would suggest to use of this scissors for the edge pattern:
Cloud pattern scissors
Cloud pattern scissors
Tenente
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I bought those scissors, I believe I have the 5mm versions, but I'm liking the 7mm versions better.
Pontiac9999
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Actually, this was for an officer tschapka helmet that is why there is extreme curves. All I had was a small piece of old liner and used it to make the large paper template.
Pontiac9999
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Your cloud pattern is nice, but the original pattern is more circular. I'm sure when they made the liner 100+ years ago the probably had a metal die and press that punched them out.
Pontiac9999
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An officer pickelhaube liner will be much less curved and you will have to add some extra material as it is stitched onto the shell and then flipped inward.....
There is a lot of description here about liners being “curved “. I presume you are talking about the bottom edge of the liner which is stitched to the edge of the shell. This edge is not curved, it is straight. A 100 year old officer sweat band may look curved after you remove it but originally, the stitching edge was straight. The edge of the shell is a straight plane so you don’t need a curved edge. I faced this problem years ago when I wanted to make my first OR’s liner, I thought it should be curved but then I put the question to a Math teacher and he assured me a straight edge was the correct way to go. Subsequently, I have made and installed a number of reproduction liners without any problems.
A tschapka liner is totally different and more complex. It does have curves to match the curves in the edge of the shell.
A tschapka liner is totally different and more complex. It does have curves to match the curves in the edge of the shell.
Sandmann
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I'm sure it was done with scissors like this in the past and there exists different patterns. I only have 4 officer helmets, but my helmets alone have 2 different patterns. So I don't think you have to be too specific.
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pickelhauben
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Those scissors must be relatively new.
I made a leather stamp for the late helmet restorer George Birringer back in the day.
It consisted of 4 rounded chisel points soldered together.
These scissors would make the scalloping a sinch.
I made a leather stamp for the late helmet restorer George Birringer back in the day.
It consisted of 4 rounded chisel points soldered together.
These scissors would make the scalloping a sinch.
Tenente
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Thanks B. I originally thought that was the case but was not sure. I'll do that on the second attempt.
Tenente
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They've been around for a while. Problem was they were usually meant for industry use, or serious fabric hobbyists. Most people never needed o use them so they were seldom seen.