Pickelhaube identification help.

[johny]

Hello, recently I got a pickelhaube, it was converted into a fireman's pickelhaube. I was convinced it was a model grenadier from 1895. Inside, however, there is the marking L.G 1890, which would indicate that it is a Landgendarmerie pickelhaube. I wonder what model it was, it had the plain rear spine. What wappen and point would go with this pickelahube? Regards

 

[b.loree]

They wore a Prussian Garde style helmet plate. The spike was the usual brass infantry one.

 

[johny]

Thanks a lot for your answer, it helped me. Best regards

 

[KAGGR 1870]

I read LG 1890
It's for Land Gendarmerie
This helmet have the guard eagle wappen

 

[CLOVIS 57]

To answer your question, here is a Landgendarme helmet on the left around 1890 and a mounted Landgendarme on the right. On the right, it is identical to a Garde-Grenadier, of the time (as said above) On the other hand, after 1895 this helmet loses the Perlring (to adopt the M87 infantry tip) and adopts the M91 trunnions. In fact, only the marking distinguishes a Garde-Grenadier from a Landgendarme. The second photo shows a Landgendarme from the start of the war, (trunnion chinstrap) but with a fancy spik, officer type.
So 3 points possible for this helmet:
---The M67 tip with pearlring, round base.
---The M87 tip without pearlring, round base.
---The M71 officer tip with "officer" perlring.

 

[johny]

To answer your question, here is a Landgendarme helmet on the left around 1890 and a mounted Landgendarme on the right. On the right, it is identical to a Garde-Grenadier, of the time (as said above) On the other hand, after 1895 this helmet loses the Perlring (to adopt the M87 infantry tip) and adopts the M91 trunnions. In fact, only the marking distinguishes a Garde-Grenadier from a Landgendarme. The second photo shows a Landgendarme from the start of the war, (trunnion chinstrap) but with a fancy spik, officer type.
So 3 points possible for this helmet:
---The M67 tip with pearlring, round base.
---The M87 tip without pearlring, round base.
---The M71 officer tip with "officer" perlring.

Thank you very much for the information and photos sent, it's good because I have such an adler so I'll make a pickelhaube like the one on the left.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

An M87 point, without perlring is preferable, but an M67 with perlring lasted until the beginning of the war in "fantasy-Eigentum" version, especially among non-commissioned officers and gendarmes. For the chin strap, preferably an M91 model with trunnions, and scales, but after 1914, it is the leather chin strap which will supplant the scale one, even among the gendarmes.

 

[johny]

Would this configuration be good? Knopfy would have to be that type https://www.kpemig.de/Knopf-91-fuer-eine-Pickelhaube-Messing_6 , but I wonder if a strip of scales attached to rosettes would be good too?

 

[Lars13]

Hi Johny,
Welcome to the forum.
Could you post more pictures? Especially from the inside.
If everything is original to the helmet as you show it you probably need the Knopf 91, but I need more pictures to be more certain.
Regards,
Lars

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Yes, here is a tip from the 1887 model, still used on the M91 and M95 helmet models, and even on the Ersatz M14. On the other hand, it must be positioned correctly so that the front hole is well in the axis of the rivet.
In this case there will be a ventilation hole on either side of the rear vertical bead.

It was not until mobilization and during the war that this rule was no longer systematically observed.

 

[johny]

Thanks for all the advice they are very helpful to me. More photos from the inside, below the inscription LG1890 the holes left by the fireman's badge are plugged up.

 

[USN]

Looks like you have the remnants of a unit stamp in the very corner and 1R which to me is unusual. Usually single number and letter stamps are seen as something like 1K for first kompanie.

 

[johny]

Looks like you have the remnants of a unit stamp in the very corner and 1R which to me is unusual. Usually single number and letter stamps are seen as something like 1K for first kompanie.

Perhaps the first purpose of the pickelhaube was for the Landgandermie and the type of troops was bypassed. Although Landgendarmerie were formed into brigades, not regiments.