Pionier Pickelhaube

[Roudeleiw]

Hello dear friends,

I would like to buy this Pionier-Pickelhaube, but I wanted to ask your opinion on it first.

What do you think about it?

Thank you in advance,
Roudeleiw

 

[Amybellars]

Roudeleiw, welcome to the forum.

This pioner helmet did not have the officer brass stars and it is also missing the silk canvas. I do have brass stars if u want to buy them but the silk canvas is hard to come by.

Also the wappen does not have the same patina with the rest of he fittings.

Pretty ordinary helmet so choice is yours

 

[b.loree]

Welcome to the forum! Amy is correct, there should be brass officer stars on the spike base to secure it to the helmet. Other than this and the missing silk liner it looks correct.

 

[Roudeleiw]

Hello
Amy and hello b.loree.

Thank you both for your answers.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

I have a question:
Are the underside of the visor and neck cover green and red or light brown?
I have another reading than the friends above:

---In view of the “Portepee” roundels, (for Feldwebel for example), this is a non-regulation Eigentum helmet (commercial purchase). Only the fittings exclusive to officers, and forbidden to Portepees, differentiate this helmet from an officer's: the cockades and stars.
The silver color of the tip rivets is consistent with a Pioneer “non-officer” (white-silver).
Pioneer officer stars, on the other hand, should be yellow-gold.)

---I'm not shocked by the difference in patina between the front eagle and the other trimmings. Officer's eagles were always given an anti-patina treatment:
-Nickel silver was silver plated, nickel plated or coated with “Berlin white”.
-Brass was gilded.
In fact, this can even be seen on the regulation spiked helmets supplied by the B.A. when the helmets have not been excessively polished with abrasive products.
As far as I'm concerned, a fine, privately purchased helmet, my helmet is reserved for outings, and is not to be worn in garrison.

Infra, a Saxon Extra-Helm, for non-officers. These helmets could be mixed and matched with elements for officer's helmets: silk cap, officer's read spine, visor trim, openwork crown, Perlring, M71 chinstrap with scales, etc...
These helmets could be worn by a chief Musikmeister, a Fähnrich, a Juncker, an Einjährig-Freiwilliger, military medical personnel (vet's assistant, dentist, etc.)...


En comparaison avec un casque de Général :

Concerning the treatment of front plates, Here's a Kammer helmet, in its original state, never polished. The gold plate has not oxidized like the other brass fittings. :

As on French forums, I say...and I show.
My conclusion:
Nice Extra-Helm Eigentum “fantasy”, non-regulation, from a Uffz-Portepee, from Reserve of Pionnier

 

[JPT]

Roudeleiw, bienvenue sur le forum.

Ce casque de pionnier n'avait pas les étoiles en laiton d'officier et il lui manquait également la toile de soie. J'ai des étoiles en laiton si tu veux les acheter mais la toile de soie est difficile à trouver.

De plus, le armoirie n'a pas la même patine que le reste de l'équipement.

Casque assez ordinaire, donc à vous de choisir

 

[Roudeleiw]

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Exceptionally beautiful piece!! Wow

 

[Roudeleiw]

I have a question:
Are the underside of the visor and neck cover green and red or light brown?
I have another reading than the friends above:

---In view of the “Portepee” roundels, (for Feldwebel for example), this is a non-regulation Eigentum helmet (commercial purchase). Only the fittings exclusive to officers, and forbidden to Portepees, differentiate this helmet from an officer's: the cockades and stars.
The silver color of the tip rivets is consistent with a Pioneer “non-officer” (white-silver).
Pioneer officer stars, on the other hand, should be yellow-gold.)

---I'm not shocked by the difference in patina between the front eagle and the other trimmings. Officer's eagles were always given an anti-patina treatment:
-Nickel silver was silver plated, nickel plated or coated with “Berlin white”.
-Brass was gilded.
In fact, this can even be seen on the regulation spiked helmets supplied by the B.A. when the helmets have not been excessively polished with abrasive products.
As far as I'm concerned, a fine, privately purchased helmet, my helmet is reserved for outings, and is not to be worn in garrison.

Infra, a Saxon Extra-Helm, for non-officers. These helmets could be mixed and matched with elements for officer's helmets: silk cap, officer's read spine, visor trim, openwork crown, Perlring, M71 chinstrap with scales, etc...
These helmets could be worn by a chief Musikmeister, a Fähnrich, a Juncker, an Einjährig-Freiwilliger, military medical personnel (vet's assistant, dentist, etc.)...

View attachment 49511
En comparaison avec un casque de Général :
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Concerning the treatment of front plates, Here's a Kammer helmet, in its original state, never polished. The gold plate has not oxidized like the other brass fittings. :
View attachment 49513
As on French forums, I say...and I show.
My conclusion:
Nice Extra-Helm Eigentum “fantasy”, non-regulation, from a Uffz-Portepee, from Reserve of Pionnier

Thank you very much for your detailed answer!

 

[JPT]

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the same patina on this wappen

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Although there are a few exceptions, as there's no obligation to do so, in general, red under the headgear and green under the visor for officers, and “fawn” brown for “non-officer” Extra-Helm.
0fficer :


Extra-Helm no officer :

Supra, we've even got the post-sides M91 for the “troop” campaign chinstrap.