Prussian Car Pennant

b.loree

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I just picked this up at the SOS. The seller claimed that Mr Weitze identified it as a car pennant for a member of the Prussian Royal family, a Duke. I have no clue but it is very well made and that basically convinced me to buy it. I have not black lighted the cloth as yet. Some characteristics: double sided , crown, shield and eagle on both sides are embroidered. There is a rod stitched into the side with 2 brass fittings on the ends which would allow fastening this to a vertical rod on the car fender. Cloth of the main body (black and white portion) appears to be a stiff cotton material. I invte all comments and opinions about this piece. I will add close up pics once I get home.


This shows the rod and brass fittings at both ends, which would clip the flag to the "pole" on the fender.


The opposite side with similar embroidery.
 
I shined my black light on the photo of it on my computer screen and it really glowed, so you should send it to me for proper disposal.
 
Thanks Gus, you and your sense of humour were missed at this SOS. :D . The fact that you want it takes me one step closer to it being original. Now I can say..."well Gus wants it".
 
Exactly, that is weird...then some red stitches on the neck...blood? Is that supposed to tell us the head has been chopped off? The monarchy is dead??
 
Sorry I can't tell you, but the Black and white is correct for the Hohenzollern family, but the crown is not their family style nor the eagle in terms of design. A mystery!
 
Yes and I am the anus that bought this thing. Collector rule #1 don't fall for BS seller stories and don't get caught up in the craze of thinking something is rare when it is not. Another lesson for B Loree :x
 
Well Brian I was there, and all I can say is whatever it is, it was very well made, and I probably would have bought it as well.

James
 
Yes James...however, our question to the guy who sold it should have been......If Weitze ID'd it, then why didn't he buy it?? This was offered to Steve at the Show as well for $25 extra than what I bought it for. Obviously, it was being shopped around. Check that item you bought from the same guy, is it real?? Again this was a case of buying something outside of my expertise, it was not a helmet but it looked good and I did not have a mental check list of what to look for. This guy was slick....he engaged us about our helmets for sale and then pulled this item out of his bag.
 
Ok maybe I was a sucker too, but I am ok with what I got, and the price was right.

I just did a black light test on it and it passed, I know does not prove everything, but it helps.

Measures 7 1/2 feet in length, so it is a big boy.

Has original rope and wooden doll on it, one faint marking that I think is a g or a 6 or 9????

Signal flag of some kind?

James









 
J.LeBrasseur said:
Ok maybe I was a sucker too, but I am ok with what I got, and the price was right.

I just did a black light test on it and it passed, I know does not prove everything, but it helps.

Measures 7 1/2 feet in length, so it is a big boy.

Has original rope and wooden doll on it, one faint marking that I think is a g or a 6 or 9????

Signal flag of some kind?

James
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James,
Yours is a naval signal flag for cipher 6, or number 6. This is an international signal flag used by all navies.



John :)
 
Uh-oh, Brian. You failed to heed my warning when we looked at the Reichskriegsflagge. The crown on your pennant is a coronet – most commonly worn by lesser royalty/peerage. It being the standard of a duke isn't out of the question, but that eagle upon a white shield, which vaguely resembles the Wappen Preußen, is just preposterous looking. This is what I believe it is trying to emulate:

http://artofheraldry.blogspot.com/2011/08/german-heraldry.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, old chap.
 
I bought a "T" flag once that was being sold as a French flag! I should have realized it was backwards. We get in trouble when we veer off course it seems!
 
I was able to find info that a headless eagle was used by nobility around Silesia area, but no real identification on a family. It comes from the old Polish Kingdom days.
 
aicusv said:
I was able to find info that a headless eagle was used by nobility around Silesia area, but no real identification on a family. It comes from the old Polish Kingdom days.
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That might make this too easy.

The House of Saszowski
http://www.saszowski.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A bit more to add - this includes some of the estates:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:House_of_Saszowski_von_Saszow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it is this house, they still exist! You can contact them via the first website I included. I have to wonder if this wasn't an interwar era flag.
 
Thank you to all who have commented and supplied links to information. I have also had a message from Francis.... apparently this headless eagle spurting blood was used by the families: Koch von Lund und Kellermeister von der Lund. This is obviously good news. The flag is very well made and I will take further photos showing close ups. Unfortunately, it is snowing right now so I am unable to take these today.
 
Some additional pictures:

White specks are sleet which was coming down today when pics were taken, shield eagle and coronet are all embroidered by hand due to the slight imperfections visible.


A picture showing the brass snap swivels and the embroidered sleeve of the "stiffening rod".


Close up of the brass swivel and sleeve embroidery.
 
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