Prussian General's Helmet

b.loree

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The next project, a General Officer helmet. Problems....restitch both visors and clean all fittings. The fittings are heavily patinated so cleaning is going to take some time plus, quite a bit of the front visor stitch line has been obliterated by melted finish. The clean out of these holes is going to have to be done from the shell side of the visor.











 
why restitching the rear visor....isn't it nice in place right now
or am i seeing it wrong
the only isuess i see is the little wear and tear of the silk liner
i would leave it this way with its nice patine
but if you go for it ,go all the way ,you've prooven to us all you preform magic
keep us informed

jonas
 
I basically have to do whatever the customer/owner wants Jonas. The rear visor is slightly loose, the front definitely needs work, but I do what I am asked to do. Nothing can be done about tears in an officer liner that I know of. The owner feels that no General would allow his helmet to tarnish this badly so he wants all fittings cleaned.
 
It is true, I once told Brian he had to jump off a bridge because all the cool kids were doing it, and he did :D

James
 
just of the record from this general helmet
i have a helmet witch i posted earlyer
the wurtemburg ersatz helmet on the latest find section it has a replacement liner that was glued in
what would you suggest i do with it
do you if nececery replace liners or stil use the original ones (if these are the original ones)
or do make a new one out of a scheat of new leather
the helmet on its own is a rare one so i took the peace that it had a new liner in it
but since your the haubedoctor throw me a diagnose :D
i normaly want my helmets in the best condition but once and a while you have to close an eye so this helmet did close a eye :-k
if you have sugestions feel free to share
thanks in advance

jonas
 
Some answers to your questions Jonas:
No, I would not do any restoration on this helmet now, it is too late. This is a felt helmet, modern glue has been used and I would be afraid of damaging/tearing the felt by trying to remove the repro liner. There is already a tear in the felt near the Wurtt kokade which someone has stitched. This is a repro liner because the leather is dyed on both sides.
I do make new liners out of the same type of leather that the originals were cut from. I cut them out and dye them black on one side and a light tan on the other. The tan colour tries to look like the inside colour of most of the originals but you can never get it perfect. If I had been given your helmet to restore, I would have made a new liner and stitched it in. The filz liner is different than the leder helme and so is the way it is stitched to the shell. I have made and installed them in the past.......except for that tan colour, they were perfect. I don't think I would bother with the tan dye again.
 
Now that I have sent Little Willie on his way home, I have been working on the General's helmet:


This is a great pic showing what a Garde wappen can do over 100 years, most of the front of the helme has been pushed in. This is a common problem with these Garde Officer wappen. The chin scales have also left slash marks in the lacquer and the lacquer has melted over at least half of the stitch line. The front of the shell has to be put back into proper form.


The front visor has also got to be reshaped, there is no sense to not doing so now that the haube has been taken apart.


The back side of the visor showing more damage done by the wappen. This is the side I must use to find the missing holes.


The wappen damage continues as we see a close up of broken thread in the "tack stitches" used to fasten the sweatband to the shell. The next pic shows approx 4 of these stitches have been broken and have to be restitched, all in the area pushed in by the wappen as the shell shrank inward.


These hidden issues.....reshaping the front of the helme, the visor, restitching the sweatband all mean more time for the restoration. We can't even begin to restitch yet.
 
thanks brain to share your knodledge on one of my helmets
i appriciate it
apperently there is more to this helmet than what the first pics reveled
can the loosening of stitches olso be linked by the fact that somme of collectors or other poeple store there helmets directley on the visors instead using a lifting stand inside the helmet
i use for every helmet a cut of waterbottle where it rests on the spike base
by the way good luck on this one to take care of it

jonas
 
Yes Jonas, I would say that.....they were just war trophies, they had little value, the stitching was probably still good in many cases as well. I think that it was when the values went up that people started to think.....probably not a good idea having them sit there on the visors. Another cheap support for hauben is metal coffee cans that come with a plastic lid. You can spray paint them any colour and they provide good support. Tony Schnurr told me about those years ago, that is what he uses and I copied him.
 
I took the rear visor off the General's helmet today. It did need restitching badly, the rear spine and double threads at the corners were what was holding it in place. Once the spine was removed, there was lots of movement, I only had to cut thread off at the corners and it came right off. A couple of pics:




There are 117 stitches to this visor.

 
Finished the rear visor yesterday. Here are some pics of the process and results:

The stitching on this helme is extremely fine, the holes are 2 mm apart. I had to use sewing needles instead of the usual "T" pins to pin the visor in place for stitching. Nine pins were used to really hold this in place and holes were carefully counted between pins to make absolutely certain that everything was lined up and matching. Otherwise, this restitch could have become a nightmare. Rear spines no matter OR's or officer, always leave marks in the finish, these are also used to make sure that everything is lined up.


Finished, after about 5 hrs of hand stitching. The stitch actually went quite well as I had really spent a lot of time and care lining up the holes.

Front visor is next obviously and will be tackled tomorrow.
 
if i had to stitch a visor i would be thrilled to begin the first stitch and the last one,al that is in between would be a nightmare to me
the one thing i give you is lots of endullitchment( hopefully i wrote it right)
talking and writing englisch is a challence for a belgian guy :!:

jonas
 
I think you meant encouragement Jonas. I appreciate that very much! Your English is fine, I have no problem understanding what you write here and please keep posting. :)
 
Nice job Brian. Thank you for sharing. What do you think? Is it possible to stritch a visor from another helmet at the old holes for both parts? I need to make this job for my helmet.
 
I couldn't imagine 5 hours of hand stitching! How many times on average do you stab your fingers with the needle in a visor re-stitch job?
 
Glenn.....no blood as yet has been shed in the production of these pictures and the partial completion of the project. :) However, it is quite common to get scratched or stabbed by the pins holding the visor in place and some times the stitch needle itself. Leone, it is possible and I have done that but it takes more time. I have only done it on OR's helmets, I don't think it could be done on an officer helme......too many holes in the shell to begin with. Some holes in visor and shell will match up, others will not and you will have to drill new holes in the shell with a pin vice and drill bit. You must use the original holes in the visor but you can drill new ones in the shell to match them. The new ones in the shell will not be seen from the outside. I have seen original replacement/restitch jobs on several OR helmets over the years so the Germans had no problem replacing visors.
Regarding the front visor on this helmet, I am held up for a day. The front of the shell had been pushed in by the wappen, despite hydration it is still out of shape while the visor has been fixed. I had to wet the front of the shell and block it so that is drying as I write this.
 
Completed restitch of the front visor yesterday. I may have mentioned this before, but I will again, as I know there is a time limit here as to how long I am going to be able to do this sort of thing. No, I do not have any health problems but I do wear bifocals and there is a natural deterioration of the body due to age, you can fight against it through diet and exercise, but we all are going to die in the end. Once you reach 50 (if you are lucky) shit starts to happen and you older collectors already know of what I speak. Life is meant to be lived and if that means enjoyment through collecting and restoring spikey hats, then game Fking on!
The best conditions for stitching are on a bright sunny day where you can turn the haube to focus the light on the inside stitch line. I have one of those lighted magnifier lamps on an adjustable arm that you see in jewellery repair shops but there is no comparison to pure sunlight coming through a window or outside. The outside stitch line is not a problem...it's outside but the inside is shaded on the officer because of the damn silk skull cap. It continually gets in the way unlike the OR liner which simply pulls straight up and out. Great care had to be taken with this restitch because at best the holes were 2mm apart and at worst, 1mm. You have to realize, that yes, they used a machine to stitch but it was controlled, by a human operator who guided it under the needle, could stop it at any time and controlled the speed. Thus, you get differences in the spacing of the holes as the visor was fed through the machine. Everything stitched, even today unless it is computer directed has this human element to it which causes slight variations and that's ok but we have to recognize it at least when restoring things. I have digressed here but obviously, had a few comments to make in order to clarify things.



Any white specs on the thread are bee's wax which is put on the thread to aid in stitching. This stitch line, was complicated by melted finish as we saw in the original pics, I had to drill in from the back side to free up original holes in the front. In restoring certain original problems, we create other problems due to the physical action of trying to restore things. So, here we have a case in point....the tack stitching on officer silk liners to the sweat band is always a weak point especially at the end points where the bamboo/cane strips meet the shell. Most times, the strips are broken, in this example, one side is good, the other broken and the front tack stitching has separated from the sweat band. This was increased by my having to insert my hand 200+ times to restitch both visors....it can't be helped and I do take great care obviously. The tack stitching will be repaired correctly by my lovely partner Caron who is an experienced seamstress and kindly relives me of the stress of stitching this area after I have done the visors.
 
b.loree said:
Most times, the strips are broken, in this example, one side is good, the other broken and the front tack stitching has separated from the sweat band. .
I found how to make a new bamboo strips if it is necessary. 8)
 
Yes, that will work I use bamboo skewers shaved/sanded down to be nice and flexible, inserted into silk seam. I clued into that a few years ago. Is this cane used in weaving baskets? Thanks Leone.
 
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