Prussian M95 OR Grenadier 3rd regiment helmet dated 1909 and well marked

[argonne]

And now a genuine one, salty and untouched. Stamps II GR and IIB, also BAG stamp, with Garde Wappen, as it has to be! Absolutely genuine.

Casque à pointe troupe l’Infanterie de la Garde

Casque à pointe troupe l’Infanterie de la Garde, modèle 1895. Bonne bombe en cuir non repercée, garnitures en laiton. Pointe qui se dévisse, légèrement écrasée. Intérieur de coiffe en cuir fin, fatiguée. Bonnes cocardes aux couleurs nationales noir-blanc-rouge et de l'état de la Prusse...

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Philippe

 

[b.loree]

Very nice helmet, that one has certainly “seen the elephant “ .

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Difficult question.
It is possible to perform a check:
The Garde-Adler always make a spacing of the fasteners of about 10cm.
The Linien-Grenadier-Adler, made 8cm at the time of the replacement of the eagle of the "old regiments" FWR, by the old eagle of the Garde-Grenadiers (until 1889) date at which the Garde-Adler with Garde-Stern will be the eagle not only of the Foot Guards, but also of the Garde-Grenadiers.
If the gap is 10cm the question remains.
If the gap is 8cm it is a regiment of Linien-Grenadier.

---Below :Hovering eagle replacing the one of the former regiments (1 to 12) FWR: the attachments are inside the sword and the scepter. Distance to 8cm :



Below : Eagle planned for the new helmets of Linien-Grenadier, distance to 10cm, the fixings are this time in straddle on the scepter and on the sword.


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[CLOVIS 57]

That said, I agree with Philippe's observation that a 3rd Line Grenadier helmet should be marked B.A. III, not B.A.G.
We sometimes see "anomalies" of this type, with non-conforming front plates, and yet affixed to the hull for a long time. Maybe an "adaptation" of war circumstances, made at the front, or an anarchic assembly, when taken as a trophy.
To illustrate, I like to show the photo below, with double piercing, it is on a victorious English soldier at the battle of the Somme. Obviously the plate of the 2 big holes above will not correspond to the regiment number or the B.A.. On the other hand the 2 regulatory eyelets, yes.






And at this point, if this helmet still exists, in a collection, what faceplate?
---The one from Kammer.
---The unconventional one with the 2 extra holes.
---The one randomly affixed by the English soldier who brought it back to his cottage.

 

[Amybellars]

I went thru my garde and grenadier em collection and I have to agree with Phillipe. My garde have KBAG or BAG then GGR or 2 GRzF. My grenadier ones have no marking though, so I would assume the Garde ones would be the ones having KBAG or BAG markings. The wappens can be interchangeable as they have the same spacing.

 

[giorgio]

Really interesting and informative thread......
Giorgio