Prussian or Bavarian Uberzug

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Das158er

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Hi Guys
I would like your opinions with regard to this Uberzug, When I got it was advertised
As being Bavarian, but I personally think it is Prussian, so I would like to clear this up
In my mind once and for all, and would love your help.
The Uberzug has been issued to the Regiments JR 58 and 2.B.L.J.R.21-second battalion
Landwher Inf. Reg. 21 ?
The Uberzug ended up with the 18 Landwehr inf. Reg. part of the 11th Landwher
Division that fought on the Russian front. Part of the 8th army.
Am I right about this or could it be Bavarian.
Any thoughts would be most welcome
Stu -Das158er

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Stu

I don't understand this Uberzug. Here are just my rambling thoughts. First of all it is not Bavarian. There are three units involved in the markings: JR 58 or 53, second Battalion LJR 21, and LJR 18. Bavarian Landwehr infantry regiments only were numbered as high as 15. Generally Bavarian Uberzug's have hooks that are black lacquered over steel and are magnetic.

Now the markings are confounded by the date 1906. What are green numbers doing on a cover marked 1906? Okay assuming it is good it would have to have been issued to the active unit and then handed down to LJR 21. This was controlled by the corps area and because of the Landwehr unit had to go through the Bezirkskommando. That would require the active unit and the Landwehr unit to be at least in the same corps. This quickly eliminates IR 53 as it is Westphalian and the Landwehr unit is from Danzig. IR 58 is from Pozen -- closer but no cigar.

All fine and dandy until you come across LJR 18. LJR 18 is in the I Corps area of East Prussia. LJR 21 is in the XVII Corps area of West Prussia. JR 58 is in the V Corps area of Posen. I verified this against a 1909 corps area layout. Sometime after the start of the war this had to end up in the hands of LJR 18. I cannot track the connections.

Then we have the green numbers??? Doesn't the number eight look brand-new? This one confuses me.
 
Hi Joe
That got me even more confused!!! :-?
With regard to the numbers, I am gessing that when the cover went from the, 21st the 18th they took the 2 off and put on an 8 the 8 is newer but is
deffinately of the period.
At least we agree on Prussian-the rest is very confusing
Stu
Das158er
 
Just found this, the 12LJR-18LJR fought in the same area Vichnev in 1915 could the cover have somehow got passed over at that point?
Stu-Das158er
 
the 12LJR-18LJR fought in the same area Vichnev
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You are talking about 21 L. JR right? There were actually company sized organizations that went through the battlefields and picked up debris to be reused. So of course it is possible. Did they have the same higher headquarters during that time?
 
Hi Joe
Yes the 21LJR sorry typing mistke :oops:
No sure about the headquaters my book does not have that detail
Stu-Das158er
 
Were the Green number's not still in use in 1915?
Nice urzeburg . The number's look to be sewn at the same time ,I can not see any other number's ,phantomed outlined.
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