Question on Prussian General Pickelhaube
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A top maker of the period. The only “tell “ with a Prussian General helmet is the spike. The spike top must be flush with the spike neck, no overlap along the edge. Other cruciform spikes overlap the edge of the neck when screwed down. I can’t tell from your photos if yours is correct or not.
KAGGR#1
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when I expand the last photo #10 I don't see the spike that Brian
writes about for a correct Generals spike
otherwise , the helmet looks correct
Steve
Agreed looks like wrong spike top IMO
Kaiser Wilhelm II
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Just from what is said here, and what I see in the photos, I would agree that the spike does not look correct for a General.
Prussian 1st Garde Dragoon Officers Pickelhaube - Headgear - Age of Kings Militaria
German and French military antiques of the pre 1918 era
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Sandmann
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In my eyes the helmet is original. The finish of spike and the rest of the helmet match 100%. The fact that there was a special spike for generals is also only a guess that collectors have made on the basis of various helmet comparisons. As far as I know, there is no original source that confirms this and also the clothing regulations only gives that it should be 6-times fluted.
Here is an example from the clothing regulation of 1899:
It is written that the spike of the officers of the 1. GRoF should be the spike (sechskantig ausgekehlte) of the generals. That's why I think that different shapes depended on the maker.
Here is an example from the clothing regulation of 1899:
It is written that the spike of the officers of the 1. GRoF should be the spike (sechskantig ausgekehlte) of the generals. That's why I think that different shapes depended on the maker.
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CLOVIS 57
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As far as I'm concerned, the point is not a Prussian General's point.
The helmet is fine, but it could be an Officer of the Guard Dragon, in which case the price is lower. !!!!
Here are the General's points (for all the States, except Bavaria), which Brian was talking about.
GardeUlan
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Interesting discussion.
Let’s see for how much it we’ll sell
Best wishes,
GardeUlan
Let’s see for how much it we’ll sell
Best wishes,
GardeUlan
michiel
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This is an interesting view on the subject,
As said an officer dragoon style guard Prussian helmet with cruciform base and rectangular visor is either general of first guards dragoon regiment Victoria ,
Because everyone wants a general a lot of those dragoon guards officers are said to be fitted with a Bavarian fluted spike in stead of the smooth variant for dragoon ( I own one of those myself), but I wonder if the number of guards dragoon officers is much higher than the number of generals as it was only one cavalry regiment, so that basic helmet design is scarce anyway without double holes ( and in my opinion one of the most beautiful helmet designs), the notion that as sandman stated the specific general design pickel is not officially regulated is really new to me (I also believed it had to be the specific design for a general)
CLOVIS 57
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We had lengthy discussions on this subject in France. It emerged that the helmets of generals, by name, kept in family castles or in historical museums (Ingolstadt, Baden-Baden, Dresden etc.), photos of Hindenburg etc. all show the point as above. (But never on Bavarian Generals, the only exception).
The Saxon General, round point base...but point identical to the other Generals (except Bavaria).
Below you can see the difference between the Bavarian officer's fluted tip and that of other states.
The point of the Bavarian officer or general was like that of the officer, and even of the Mecklenburg enlisted man.
The Saxon General, round point base...but point identical to the other Generals (except Bavaria).
Below you can see the difference between the Bavarian officer's fluted tip and that of other states.
The point of the Bavarian officer or general was like that of the officer, and even of the Mecklenburg enlisted man.
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Interessante discussie.
Laten we eens kijken voor hoeveel we zullen verkopen
Beste wensen
GardeUlan
John Josef
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Hi Rob,
It's just that were the spike and base screw together that they meet flush on the Generals spike.
Compared to others where the base actually goes into the small lip of the spike when together. It's Kinda hard to explain without pictures but I think if you look again at the photo's posted along with my try at explaining the difference you can clearly how the Generals base and spike meet flush together.
Hope this helps but it is hard to see in the first pictures posted to get a comparison. All the best John Josef
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