R22

911car

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One of the very rare I have seen that looks real... but I don't know much at all about these models... Am I wrong?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WWI-GERMAN-PRUSSIAN-FELT-SPIKED-PICKELHAUBE-HELMET-1916-22nd-INFANTRY-/231441824209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e301f9d1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I was thinking the same thing, looks good, no liner but rare!

No leather trim and fake stamp.

Looks good IMO

James
 
this is a tough one. Krause Depicts this but I have never ever seen a picture. RJR22 Is a conundrum in of itself. I don't know. It certainly is cut out but I don't think they show a picture of the back of the plate or how it is attached – or did I miss that? Tough one my vote would be no. That's all it is is a vote. Just looks too quaint for me.

I finally updated this.

http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/Scroll_helmets.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Joe, you can see the fixture for the plate in this photo:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-WWI-GERMAN-PRUSSIAN-FELT-SPIKED-PICKELHAUBE-HELMET-1916-22nd-INFANTRY-/231441824209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e301f9d1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To me, it looks like the chin strap posts are original from what I can see of the outside detail. On the other hand, it doesn't look like the liner was worn out, but torn out to hide something. The whole liner thing just looks wrong to me. I'm with Joe in casting a no vote on this one... at least I wouldn't go for it if I were in the market.

:D Ron
 
The wappen is held on by split brads which can be seen on the inside pic. The liner is definitely the problem.....if you look at the first pic (side view) in the listing you can see that originally there was a liner stitched in the usual way all around the rim. You can see the row of original holes in this pic. You can also see that these have been cleaned out and that some one has tacked stitched the present liner around the rim every 4-5 holes. They have also doubled the thread in these stitches. Obviously, then there has been some extra work done on this piece. That new thread would probably "light up" as well. Looking at the inside liner....the edge still remaining is "poofy" and not crisp as it should be if this were original. I agree, it looks like someone has deliberately torn out most of the liner which is a replacement. We know it is a replacement due to my first observations above.
More....looking at the interior, we can see that the tack stitching was done by hand, you can see large knots tied at the beginning and end of the doubled thread. We do not see these on machine stitching. Why the extra strip of green cloth under the liner??? I have a Prussian (brass) filz helme with a similar strip of cloth sewen along the edge of the liner and hidden when it is folded down and in. However, this cloth is white, the liner is oil cloth and it is stitched right round the shell as it should be, none of this tack stitch business.
 
I would imagine in an original helmet like yours the extra band was to adjust to a slightly smaller size that was unavailable without it. My thought would be that a man who had thick hair and cut it close to the skin might need to ajust the size of his helmet as well. Before you laugh, I had to do that with my helmet in basic training after going from the maximum hair allowed to a 'zip' cut... this was in 1975 when hair regulations were a lot more lax.
The one in the auction looks like a new replacement, as stated. The split brads on the plate look to 'wiry' to me, too thin for an original. Am I correct in that feeling? I really don't know.

:D Ron
 
Hi Ron: The cloth strip is not for adjustment, it is stitched directly around the shell underneath the oil cloth liner. It can not be tightened or loosened. I see it more as a bit of padding between the shell and oil cloth. There is a pic of it here on the forum somewhere in a filz haube discussion. I will try and find it.
 
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