Reproduction or NOT ??

b.loree

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I had this shell put on ebay a couple of weeks ago. I was contacted by an experienced French collector (200+helmets) who said that this was a German made reproduction (Frankonia) from the 1970's. I pulled the listing as a result of his comments, he pointed out that the chin scale holes are too low and close to the visor pins so that no kokarde could be worn. I have owned the piece since the 1980's, I bought it from an older collector and I hoped to find the missing parts and restore it. There is a Garde eagle wappen shadow in the finish at the front of the helmet. The piece is made of lacquered felt with the two visors stitched to the shell, obviously private purchase.
Initially, I accepted...."reproduction", however on closer examination I still believe...."original" although the kokarde problem has no solution. The main area that I look at, is the liner: first....proper colour and sheep skin, it has the hash marks one finds on the older officer liners from the pre 1890 period. Second it is worn/holed on both sides where the bolt for the chin scales was located. Third, you can see the wear mark of the "bolt" on both sides of the shell around the holes in the shell. Fourth, All stitch lines on the inside including front and rear visors, and the chin scale side reinforcements are all backed on the inside with pieces/strips of the original thin leather used for the liner. Now, I was not collecting in the 70's so I am not aware of the quality of the repros from this era. However, due to the helmet's characteristics described above, I find it hard to believe this to be a "fake". Last, I have no problem being proven wrong on this....I invite comments from all members. Here are the pics:



I did sand and polish the shell years ago, the finish was really rippled, which would again suggest age.






Proper brass square nuts and thicker than the M95's



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Hey Brian,

Could you post a photo with a cockade over the chinstrap hole? To see how far it 'hangs down'. An odd one indeed! I have an old shell also with outlines of both a fireman's plate (and comb) as well as deep imprints of a spike base (still on it) and eagle... a converted fire helmet? The holes from the comb are plugged the right way, huge size, about 60 cm. Anyhoo, could this have been a civil helmet of some sort? I wonder if any police used a wappen similar to a Garde Adler.
:-k :-k

:D Ron
 
Is it possible thatthis was a helmet made for a country that did not use Kockarden? Like Sweden?
 
Franconia adds

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Well, I'd be interested in purchasing this shell if you're still selling it! I believe it may have been a foreign-worn pickelhaube originally...
 
Arran...received your PM's and have responded. The forum server failed today but we are up and running finally.
 
Hi Brian- still having trouble sending messages (they just sit in my out box), so if possible please e-mail me at the address above...

Cheers,
Arran.
 
My fault Arran. The PM messaging has been messed up due to the change in servers hosting the site, so I had not opened your messages. Anyway, we are good to go.
 
I recently obtained this shell from Brian, and have now completed the helmet with parts I had been saving for just such an occasion. As I had hoped, the US eagle plate is a perfect match to the plate "shadow" on the helmet body. Both the plate and spike are US made in the German style, and I believe the shell to be US made as well, possibly by Deecken of New York...

Cheers,
Arran.
 
Thanks guys. This helmet would have been worn by a Militia unit c. 1870-80 in an area with a high German immigrant population such as New Jersey or Pennsylvania...
 
Hey, that looks GREAT! I was in the Army Reserve in PA, in the 1980's... too bad they stopped using the helmets. :wink:

:D Ron
 
Congratulations Arran...I am thrilled to see the helme completed back to its original condition. That is so, fantastic that you who live in British Columbia, would somehow end up with the fittings to restore an American helmet. Exceptional...well done! :thumb up:
 
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