Reserve Scarcity.

This subject is bugging me now. How the hell can we find an answer to this. I wonder if the late, great Jean-Louis would have known?

So you managed to get a 'Longaburger' into your logo there Joe? I did'nt realise until I saw the close-up shot of the characters. Thats you and Janet.
 
Yes Janet used to do Longaberger. Today she is into scrap booking and being the Church Lady. Lacarde was very wise in many ways. However he did not give good footnotes. He makes some claims about reserve units that I do not follow. Many people still fall into the trap that both active and reserve units shared the same number. I have been trying to figure out which active and reserve units use the same helmet plates. Did I send you the Busche manuscript? I am convinced that that is where the start of discovery is. But I have been wrong before.
 
I did'nt get that manuscript Joe, but I'd be very interested to read it. I know someone who might shed some light, so I'll give it a go. Looks like we're the only ones into this topic at the moment. I guess they are all limbering up for this SOS beano, curse them!
If Mr X is going is'nt that gonna blow his cover? I'm imagining someone like 'Blofelt'! No offence to the X'meister you understand, I'm sure he's a pussycat.
 
Hi Joe. Check this - ebay 6248573029. Whether this was always originally like this or if a subsequent alteration has taken place I dont know. But if it has'nt been "Bubba'd" with it's interesting because that looks to me, not a 'Fuerst' cross but a straight Prussian 'Koenig' motto one. If reserve crosses of any sort were in short supply as you have proved and they didnt have the correct motto cross to hand do you think they would......?

I looked again and noticed that this has the motto at the bottom scroll too so maybe it's been messed with after all. It looks like the smaller size cross and somebody seems to have had a go at 'pierceing' the crown too so......maybe forget it!

Sorry Joe.

PS. Thanks Joe, the article came but filled up my email so maybe we can repeat it when I can print it out at the Inlaws place. :D
 
maybe we can repeat it when I can print it out at the Inlaws place.
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Busche is huge. Whenever you want. Hey the ebay # you gave is for some real estate in England! Where is the helmet?!?
 
Hi Joe:

The link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6248573029&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fcgiurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252F%26fkr%3D1%26from%3DR8%26satitle%3D6248573029%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1

Chas.
 
Sorry Joe, how frustrating! I hope you havent been chewing the carpet over this! It's 6248573029 - :oops:
I'd quite like to see the back of this. So would the vendor I guess!
 
I have seen variations on position as well as size of the cross. Baden followed the same concept except there is no difference between Landwehr and Reserve. The cross said "Für Fürst and Vaterland" so while it looks the same at a distance from the Prussian it is indeed different. Here is a picture of a Baden with both mottos. Correct no. Original probably. Lots of Baden reserve wappen had both mottos. Look at Stubbs and you find they abound. Note the position of the cross. Baden crosses seem to be here or mostly lower down between the leg and the shield. Also some in the center had the cross impressed like Prussian Landwehr eagles.
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There an interesting Baden theory. A senior collector and man of the cloth, has a Baden wappen with a Koenig reserve cross. His theory is that it belongs to IR 114. Those guys had a wacht company that guarded the little Prussian enclave of Hohenzollern (the catholic side). I have no other support for this theory and don't buy it objectively but it is a real possibility
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http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/ReserveCrosses.htm
 
Right, Joe. I had forgotten this story. Thats a chunky little number that cross there, aint it? A bit 'dodu' as the French would say.
 
Mike, Joe et al,

just revisiting this topic after having consulted a newly arrived Bekleidungsordnung from the late 1890s. The pertinent point here appears to me to be the fact that in peacetime, reservists (who actually performed their reserve service normally with their former active unit) did NOT wear the Landwehr Cross. See para 3 and note 2 in the appended document below. Perhaps this then accounts generally for the scarcity of these items if the majority of reservists never actually wore the Landwehr Cross.

It further states that those personnel (usually Landwehr) assembled into special exercise units did wear the Landwehr Cross on the cap and helmet.

Regards
Glenn

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Glenn,

Thanks so much for posting this! It is indeed a great addition to the puzzle. I am not so sure that this was not some sort of goal to achieve. It is wonderful to see this in writing but I do not think that the photographic evidence backs it up. The problem is with the Landwehr Übung. All of the pictures that I have a Landwehr Übung units do not have a cross.
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So while this explains some of the shortage it does not explain all of it. If indeed footnote 2 was a hard rule it does not seem to have been followed in every corps. I do not have a good feel of how many Landwehr Übung units were used every year. I know it varied annually based on the maneuvers. There were also reserve Übung units. I do not know how many of each type there were each year but again these look to have no standardization of crosses. So I think this order is a brick in the wall but there is still a lot of mud on the wall. Thanks for finding it and thanks for posting it!
 
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