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mstclair

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I am new this group and am excited I found! Am not very knowledgeable of the pickelhaubes. I have 2 that were given to me by family friend and I am looking for someone who may be interested restoring helmets for me or know of someone who can.
Pictures attached. Thank you for your advice!

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mstclair said:
I am new this group and am excited I found! Am not very knowledgeable of the pickelhaubes. I have 2 that were given to me by family friend and I am looking for someone who may be interested restoring helmets for me or know of someone who can.
Pictures attached. Thank you for your advice!

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To me it looks like both are worth doing
The one on the left is of special interest because I collect Prussian Grenadier helmets
It is a Prussian "line " Grenadier helmet .It could be G R 2 ; G R 3 ; G R 5 ; G R 6 ; G R 10 ; G R 11 or G R 12
Look inside to see if you see any ink stampings on the inside back visor
take photos and post them of the inside if you can
I suggest that you contact Brian Loree .He is an expert on working on these old leather helmets.
The front visor has to be resewn to the body. Brian can do that
It is missing some parts but worth the project , especially if it is an issue Grenadier helmet .
Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
To me it looks like both are worth doing
The one on the left is of special interest because I collect Prussian Grenadier helmets
It is a Prussian "line " Grenadier helmet .It could be G R 2 ; G R 3 ; G R 5 ; G R 6 ; G R 10 ; G R 11 or G R 12
Look inside to see if you see any ink stampings on the inside back visor
take photos and post them of the inside if you can
I suggest that you contact Brian Loree .He is an expert on working on these old leather helmets.
The front visor has to be resewn to the body. Brian can do that
It is missing some parts but worth the project , especially if it is an issue Grenadier helmet .
Steve
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When restored it will look like the helmet on the right
but you don't have to find a set of the scale chin straps
a leather strap will be O K
also look for a date in the helmet
when the helmet was issued is of interest
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KAGGR#1 said:
To me it looks like both are worth doing
The one on the left is of special interest because I collect Prussian Grenadier helmets
It is a Prussian "line " Grenadier helmet .It could be G R 2 ; G R 3 ; G R 5 ; G R 6 ; G R 10 ; G R 11 or G R 12
Look inside to see if you see any ink stampings on the inside back visor
take photos and post them of the inside if you can
I suggest that you contact Brian Loree .He is an expert on working on these old leather helmets.
The front visor has to be resewn to the body. Brian can do that
It is missing some parts but worth the project , especially if it is an issue Grenadier helmet .
Steve
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Thank you Steve! I will look for the stampings and provide photo(s). I did notice some markings but didn't take time to look closely. Greatly appreciate advice and will connect with Brian.
 
These helmets are sure worth restoring. I like both the Grenadier one, and the Wurttemberg helmet.
Looking forward to see the markings on both of them! Like Steve said, Brian is very good at restoring helmets like these.
Welcome here on the forum by the way!
 
mstclair said:
Thank you Steve! I will look for the stampings and provide photo(s). I did notice some markings but didn't take time to look closely. Greatly appreciate advice and will connect with Brian.
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Let us know your findings and your progress with your project.
Steve
 
KAGGR#1 said:
Let us know your findings and your progress with your project.
Steve
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First 2x attached photos of markings inside the Grenadier helmet. Date appears to be 1913.

Third and fiurth photo of the Wurrtengerg helmet and I could find no markings / stamps anywhere.

This is rather exciting for me. So glad I was directed to this great community!

Semper Fidelis---Matt
 

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coert65 said:
These helmets are sure worth restoring. I like both the Grenadier one, and the Wurttemberg helmet.
Looking forward to see the markings on both of them! Like Steve said, Brian is very good at restoring helmets like these.
Welcome here on the forum by the way!
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Thank you!
 
The reason you cannot find any markings on the Wurttemberg helmet, is because it's an officer one, these were usually private purchase ones.
There are marked ones too, however.
 
mstclair said:
I'll give it a try!
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Tried the saliva technique; still difficult to read.
I really appreciate all the advice and support from the group. Next step is contact Brian and hopefully get restored!

Family friends had these for years and I remeber seeing them in great condition about 40 years ago. Looking forward to bringing them back to life!
 

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With a little photoshopping I can clearly read "K.F." followed by most likely an "R", and according to https://pickelhauben.net/old-site/articles/Kammer_Marks.html this corresponds to Kaiser Franz-Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 2. EDIT: The Bekleidungsordnung from 1903 confirms that the Wappen for this regiment should be the Garde eagle without the star, as seen on your helmet. I read the Bekleidungsordnung from 1903 incorrectly, it actually shows that the Wappen for this regiment should be the Garde eagle with the star.
Regards,
Lars

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EDIT: identification of "K.F.R." regimental marking confirmed by German marking regulations "Vorschrift uber das Stempeln der Handwaffen", Berlin, 1897
 
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Lars13 said:
With a little photoshopping I can clearly read "K.F." followed by most likely an "R", and according to https://pickelhauben.net/old-site/articles/Kammer_Marks.html this corresponds to Kaiser Franz-Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 2. The Bekleidungsordnung from 1903 confirms that the Wappen for this regiment should be the Garde eagle without the star, as seen on your helmet.
Regards,
Lars

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Thank you Lars! I amazed how much I have learned in 24 hours. Greatly appreciate everyone's responses and support!

Semper Fidelis---Matt
 
KAGGR#1 said:
To me it looks like both are worth doing
The one on the left is of special interest because I collect Prussian Grenadier helmets
It is a Prussian "line " Grenadier helmet .It could be G R 2 ; G R 3 ; G R 5 ; G R 6 ; G R 10 ; G R 11 or G R 12
Look inside to see if you see any ink stampings on the inside back visor
take photos and post them of the inside if you can
I suggest that you contact Brian Loree .He is an expert on working on these old leather helmets.
The front visor has to be resewn to the body. Brian can do that
It is missing some parts but worth the project , especially if it is an issue Grenadier helmet .
Steve
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Steve,
Might you have the contact information for Brian Loree? Have searched on the pickelhaubes website / forum but havent found (likely error on my part)
Appreciate the assistance!

Semper Fidelis---Matt
 
Lars13 said:
With a little photoshopping I can clearly read "K.F." followed by most likely an "R", and according to https://pickelhauben.net/old-site/articles/Kammer_Marks.html this corresponds to Kaiser Franz-Garde-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 2. The Bekleidungsordnung from 1903 confirms that the Wappen for this regiment should be the Garde eagle without the star, as seen on your helmet.
Regards,
Lars



EDIT: identification of "K.F.R." regimental marking confirmed by German marking regulations "Vorschrift uber das Stempeln der Handwaffen", Berlin, 1897
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Lars, this is not a Garde Grenadier helmet, but simply a Grenadier helmet (no Suum Cuique star on the eagle). It cannot be KFGGR2...
 
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