Scroll Helmet Article

joerookery

joerookery

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My first paltry attempt at the scroll helmet article is online if it interests you.

http://www.pickelhauben.net/articles/Scroll_helmets.html
 
Well done Joe. I have read all of your articles, this one is in my opinion, is =D> your best. I love this investigative approach. Really an enjoyable read.
 
Thanks so much guys -- this one's been kicking around for awhile. Its either start on another one or go back and fix up the ones I already did. I'm always looking for pictures! Thanks again.
 
Really enjoyable to read. I think R22 was in the 117th Division IX corps but at what point I can not remember , the 117th Division was brought together to pull POLISH elements out if other Silesia Division's .
Very good Pics and article was excelent.
Mark
 
Just seen this on the Wietze website-
https://www.weitze.net/detail/54/Preussen_feldgraue_Ersatzpickelhaube_aus_Filz_fuer_Mannschaften_im_Infanterie_Regiment_Nr_88__103554.html

Not quite a scroll helmet but of a simialr type. What you you chaps think?

Cheers
Chris
 
Hi, it appears to be identical with this helmet: http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm59.pl?f=NR_LOT&c=6239&t=temartic_M_D&db=kat59_m.txt

I had a look at it at the Hermann Historica auction but I did not hold it in hands. The helmet already was on Weitzes Site in 2008 (see this discussion: http://pickelhaubes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3625&highlight=weitze)

The pattern of the numbers is somewhat similar to those on a helmet that I sold on ebay this year. I would really love to see a reference of this type of helmet numbers
 
Thanks I hope to have three new pictures shortly. Still so much to learn about these. I still have the Weitze one in the ? Box. there was a guy at SOS several years ago who had a very blurry picture of a type I helmet with four digits. He broke contact unfortunately. Never did see a good picture.
 
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ps226 by joerookery, on Flickr

This goes back to Robert's 247. what is different about this picture is that there are both helmets and shakos. a big blowup of the guy on the right shows that he has a cover where you can make out the numbers 24. so what is up with this?


ps226c by joerookery, on Flickr


ps226a by joerookery, on Flickr
 
Some nice photos but nothing earth shattering.
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Quite an understatement! Excellent pictures :D

Concerning IR23 it was not in the area. It's location can be tracked over the 12th Inf. Division (Short Overview). IR33 does not seem to have been there either, only FAR33 would be a possibility this unit was in Macedonia. Does the right man's shoulder flap give a hint?

The mixture of helmets is astonishing. It seems now again that anything is possible. On your IR23/33 picture it really looks like the scrolls have the same number. This would mean they actually were issued arbitrarily wherever needed. On the first picture (247), the left guy with the Shako is wearing his neckflap with it.
 
I can see no detail on the straps. can you make out a number on the guys in the airplane? There are close-ups but I cannot see anything.
 
It looks to me like 249 to me. The first two digits are more clear on the close-up of the man at the steering wheel, while the third digit is partly visible on his shoulder flap which is curled up.
 
Hopefully this is of interest to those browsing through Joe's superb article.

This landed in my mailbox this afternoon. The original is quite tatty and the preview photos weren't so great, I actually thought I was buying just another French POW picture.

It was quite a pleasant surprise when I looked at the photo under the loupe. Can't quite make out the number on the scroll though :???:


Scroll helmet by drakegoodman, on Flickr


Scroll helmet enlarged by drakegoodman, on Flickr


Scroll helmet reverse by drakegoodman, on Flickr
 
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