St. Privat

joerookery

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I am in need of a print–hopefully in color-of the bloody assault of the Guards Corps on the strong French position at St Privat during the Franco Prussian war. With all the pictures I have and all the prints, I do not seem to have one. I need it for inclusion in a book. Is there anybody that could help and have such a print or post card? Larry; do you feel the gaze directly on you?
 
Joe, I am wilting under its intensity....... :angry4: :D I'll take a look at what's around. Do you want the famous one of the French soldiers in the cemetary? I have several identified CDV's of Prussian officers KIA at St.Privat.

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Larry,

At least you know you are wanted! I am not looking for individual photos but rather I am looking for a dense column of guard soldiers attacking the French trying to put them to the bayonet. This must exist–must–given all of the myth and doctrine surrounding this and a number of books on the Franco-Prussian conflict. I just cannot find anything but the actual act. Side engagements–yes–memorials–yes cemeteries–yes soldiers charging–no. I really would settle for any other column type attack a.k.a. 1871 But I prefer for it to be the one requested.
 
The fury of shot and shell, the soldiers advancing, leaning forward as if walking into a hailstorm....that kind of thing?

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Hi Joe

Any help here? http://www.war-art.com/franco.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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No cigar. Thank you for the idea but I just do not get a visual of a column under fire or just a column. This is just the most famous incident I would think that print such as these would be plentiful. 8-[ 8-[ 8-[
 
Thank you Brett–he turned me onto dozens of pictures of the city however there were very very few usable prints. Here is what I am going with right now.


St. Privat

Prussian victories during the Franco Prussian war were accomplished through significant numerical superiority and were often bought at the cost of very high losses. Particularly the bloody assault of the Guards Corps on the strong French position at St Privat created the myth of the brave Guards infantry dodging fire and facing death to earn victory for their king. At the same time it started a fierce discussion about infantry tactics and the optimum way to attack such strongly defended positions. Fritz Hoenig, a well known military writer, even called the assault of St Privat a pointless slaughterhouse achieving little more than emptying the ammo pouches of the defending French regiments.
But even after the experience of 1870 and 1871, the 1847 manual was neither changed nor replaced. Instead, the myth was carried on. St Privat-style attacks across more than 1000 meters of open ground and ascending glacis against a well-defended position were considered brave and were systematically trained. The company column continued as the regular attack formation of German infantry during the 1870 and 1871 war. Regiments going to attack broke up first into their battalions, one next to another, and they broke up again into company columns. A company forming an attack column had its first and second platoons three lines deep each following one another. The third platoon was put in front, usually half of the platoon forming a skirmish line advancing about 100 meters ahead of the battalion. About 50 – 100 meters behind the skirmish line followed the second half of the platoon as soutiens (French word for reinforcements) to fill up losses and to “swarm in” in case the firing line needed reinforcements.


ps1651 by joerookery, on Flickr


ps1665 by joerookery, on Flickr
 
Hey Joe

Glad you were able to find some images you were looking for, they look like good ones....

You might find these three accounts interesting. The first is a portion of a book written by Oberstleutnant Gustav von Schubert, Chief of Staff of the 23rd Division, XII Army Corps, during the battle of St.Privat entitled "Life Recollections". A portion of which was translated into English and published by the Staff Officer Press, Fort Leavenworth Kansas in 1914. On the day after the battle von Schubert had cause to accompany the Crown Prince to attend the funeral of General von Craushaar, killed during the attack on St.Privat.

He writes......"The day after the battle shows the reverse of the medal. The ardor had disappeared and given place to cold calculation..... The Prince had heard he (von Craushaar) would be buried at 9 o'clock at Ste Marie and therefor rode with me to that place, our road leading across the field over which the Guards had attacked. It was a sorrowful ride. The entire space between St.Privat and Ste.Marie was covered with the corpses of the brave, strong men who had known no falling back. It was especially painful to hear the calls of a number of dying and wounded lying there still unattended-and we could not help them......The return ride over the battlefield was as sorrowful as the going. With the consent of the Prince I killed the wounded horse of a Guard officer with my revolver. It was a fine English mare, whose nose had been shot off by a shell and was standing with hanging head, slowly bleeding to death. It took five or six shots in the head to bring it to the ground."

A similar account of the aftermath of General von Steinmetz and the 1st Army battle in the Gravelotte sector was written by General Phillip H. Sheridan who accompanied Count von Bismarck on a tour of that field the day after the battle . His account appeared in Scibner's Magazine, vol. IV, no.5 November 1888. Sheridan was most interested to see the results of the Krupp cannon fire on the French positions overlooking the Mance Ravine. Sheridan also writes of the terrible slaughter of men and horses during the assault of the French on the heights. Interestingly (at least for us Pickelhaube types) he specifically mentions the 1000's of abandoned German helmets dotting the fields. Thrown off during the heat of battle.

The last is taken from a book published in 1872 entitled "Reminiscences of a Visit to the Battlefields of Sedan, Gravelotte, Spicheren and Worth". It was written by Lewis Appleton a Quaker. It is a short, well written book with interesting detail. On Tuesday June 11th 1871 he began his ride to the battlefield of Gravelotte-St.Privat and witnessed a heartwrenching scene...."I cantered along the road to Ste.Marie aus Chenes, "The Graves of the Guards". The road was thickly strewn with the debris of the fighting of all kinds.... I observed a group of women draped in mourning and with them a party of gravediggers, engaged in the horrid work of disinterring. They were a company of mourners, having traveled from Germany for the sad purpose of looking for the remains of a young Saxon soldier that fell in the fight, who was a son, a husband and a brother. There stood the distracted mother, the widow and the sister. They had untombed some five or six huge graves without success. A singular circumstance occurred on one of these occasions. On removing the spare earth that covered one of the square graves, it was found to contain twenty-four lacerated Saxon soldiers, packed like sardines in a box, in three rows, eight in a row, their only covering being their dark blue uniforms. The faces of the first row of eight were unrecognisable, gory and ghastly, but on removing them the centre row presented a strange phenomenon, for though they had lain eight months, they appeared as if asleep, their faces unmarred and tranquil in death. Lifting them from that vault of gloom, the last of the slain was, as the first, decaying. What an affecting scene was this. I have felt the pang of grief to which few are strangers; but in that field of blood I felt a pang keener than I had ever felt before".

The reality of experiences to which these individuals bore witness is humbling to me. They paint a vivid contrast to the brave scenes of combat.
 
Hi Joe,

this showing the 4. Garde-Regiment zu Fuß.

Regards
Glenn

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