The Humble M91 Side Post

I don't know why just Prussian and Saxon Jonas. For years I thought just Saxe but then we got discussing the "kit helmets" here and Joe posted a picture showing them being snapped together. The "V" kokarden then was mentioned and I checked the kokarden on my Prussian helmet and both are V cut outs.
 
As asked by Brian on another thread, here is a photographic comparaison making clear what some French collectors have observed on many helmets. We are thinking this difference is due to the differents periods, not to different helmet makers...But just our humble opinion based on many observations. Just look to your Haubes closer too!

A typical side post produced after 1895, small dome in the middle (M95 and M15 helmets):



A early side post, produced between 1891 and 1895, big dome (M91 helmets):



Philippe
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As Philippe has said, this is a humble opinion offered as an observation by collectors in France, who are quite knowledgeable.

So it is an opinion, not a factual way to date your M91 post.

You will find absolutely untouched M91 Pickelhaube, with solid rear spine, rotatable neck vents, screw post on the Wappen, in other words, textbook M91 that do not have a large center dome on the M91 post. So perhaps it is an evolutionary issue, where some came out with large, and some came out with small domes, and by 1895 it has standardized to the smaller dome.

For example, here is an M91 that is untouched, dated 1891. the M91 post is very large thick, and long. Quite different from the "standard" M91 post. But it has the smaller dome.

More photos of the helmet HERE

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Tony,

I agree with your nuance.
But I do not think that we will ever find a "pure" M95 with such big dome M91 side posts. Helmets that are looking like a M95 with such M91 big dome side posts are always M91 which have been modified to M95 :wink:

The example that you are showing in your last intervention is another variation, which is pretty flat, often encountered on cavalry helmets too, even later production in this arm.

Here are similar ones on my DR19 Wachtmeister helmet dated 1899:





Philippe
:wink:
 
Tony,

Large and thick for use of chin scales as well as a leather strap? Now, I am wondering if chin scales were an option for parade or special duty and the strap for daily wear? :-k

:D Ron
 
An interesting find was found on the battlefields of one comrade.
Usually they are stamped, prefabricated.
The same whole, heavy
It looks like casting

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aicusv said:
I believe the stahlhelm post are two pieces riveted together through the helmet.
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Maybe you're right . But unfortunately I do not know anything about further findings. Anyway, I see such 91 buttons for the first time

I do not understand how they were then attached to a steel helmet. Maybe someone has seen this?
 
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