The Mexican Haubes

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henrry

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Hello Gentelmen, Im a mexican collector of imperial helmets, and up to now been a visitor to your site; besides my german haubes I have gathered some examples of the german manufactured mexican pickelhaubes from 1907 to 1910. I share some of them with you. I appreciate the expertisse of the members of this forum, and im glad to join you.
 
Love it too!
Love whole the history in fact, very tight to the Belgian history at the time.
Sadly the only items I have bearing the Mexican wappen are on butons.
cheers
|<ris
 
Thank you for your welcome; there where only six types of haubes in the mexican army before the revolution of 1910. General helmet in gilt equal to the prussian equivalent; general staff in white, both with square front peak, cruciform base and fluted spikes. Officers wore the round peak and base, but mounted officers was white, white foot officers gilt.

The really different ones, and rarer (only 15 made) where the presidential aides; those where equal to a general helmet, but made of high nickel metal, the difference is that they had the normal officer spikes and white yak Bush, on fluted support. This 15 helmets were a beauty and I show you some details on them.

Finally there was a cuirassier lobstertail helmet worn by the president lieb demi regiment, but there are some differences in shape and quality with their German equivalents.
 
That is some great stuff.

Do you ever see any Mexican sun helmets? I know that the Mexicans used French made and later surplus American sun/pith helmets. I've been trying to track down any that might still exist!
 
Hi Peter, first and only mention of a sun helmet in the mexican army appears in the 1906 uniform regulations, the same that established the pickelhaubes. It appears to be a british pattern sun helmet. As you mention during the revolution of 1910-1920 many combatantes used french sun helmets -including Pancho Villa-, and later american helmets.
Unfortunately i never seen one that can be undoubtely be tracked to these early period.
 
German and Mexican merchant families had been intermarrying throughout the 19th century to build commercial monopolies between the two countries. German archaeologists are credited with founding the field of study of ancient Mesoamerica. Here is the former Boker department store on Calle Isabel la Católica in Mexico City. Note the Hamburg style architecture with an Imperial Overseas Eagle paired with the Mexican Eagle. By the beginning of the 20th century these partnerships were becoming officially sanctioned by the German government as militarists like Reyes and Huerta shifted government arms purchases to German companies. By 1903, the government had purchased 78,000 mauser rifles. The adoption of the pickelhaube was a direct reflection of this new fascination with German economic, military, scientific and political culture in Mexico.
 
I recently had a chance to visit the INAH regional museum in the City of Puebla where several helmets are displayed but what caught my eye was the plumed helmet which I assumed as some sort of command rank version of the Aide de Camp helmet that Henry posted. On closer inspection it seems to have an elongated and trimmed rear visor like a shortened version of a kurassier helmet. I was unfamiliar with the Lieb demi regiment helmet Henry posted nor had I heard of this unit. Do you have any more information on this unit Henry? How large was it and what uniforms they wore. Could you post some more photos of that helmet? Thank you very much. John
 
They called it "the Sears of Mexico" in this book...

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Nacuaa said:
German and Mexican merchant families had been intermarrying throughout the 19th century to build commercial monopolies between the two countries. German archaeologists are credited with founding the field of study of ancient Mesoamerica. Here is the former Boker department store on Calle Isabel la Católica in Mexico City. Note the Hamburg style architecture with an Imperial Overseas Eagle paired with the Mexican Eagle. By the beginning of the 20th century these partnerships were becoming officially sanctioned by the German government as militarists like Reyes and Huerta shifted government arms purchases to German companies. The adoption of the pickelhaube was a direct reflection of this new fascination with German economic, military, scientific and political culture in Mexico.
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WELCOME and Beautiful Helmets!

I have a distant relative, an architect, living in Mexico Santiago Aspe Poniatowski. (one of the nice things about facebook is finding lost relatives!)

:D Ron
 
I should introduce myself. I'm John and I have never participated in an on-line project like this before. I have been following the site closely this past year as I am slowly working on a Mexican pickelhaube restoration project and found the discussions of how to reshape the leather korpus fascinating and have been experimenting with the different techniques on an old fire helmet korpus. I am a university professor in Mexican archaeology and history but had a passion for collecting pickelhaubes as a youth. So the idea of studying a combination of Aztec and Prussian sensibilities in military heraldry has become obsessive.
 
Nacuaa said:
I should introduce myself. I'm John and I have never participated in an on-line project like this before. I have been following the site closely this past year as I am slowly working on a Mexican pickelhaube restoration project and found the discussions of how to reshape the leather korpus fascinating and have been experimenting with the different techniques on an old fire helmet korpus. I am a university professor in Mexican archaeology and history but had a passion for collecting pickelhaubes as a youth. So the idea of studying a combination of Aztec and Prussian sensibilities in military heraldry has become obsessive.
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Welcome! Sounds fascinating. I've only ever been to Chichen Itza, as far as Mexican archeological sites go, which I found quite interesting.

:D Ron
 
Welcome John, it is great to have both you and Henry join us from Mexico! Any new restoration techniques....please post them in the "Restoration" section on the forum. I have learned a great deal from this thread. I was unaware of the close connection between Mexico and Germany at one time.
 
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