Uhlan chapska with FWR Wappen??

[JPT]

Do you have any knowledge or reference material regarding the identification of these Uhlan chapska and others (relationship between colors and Wappen) ??
You see, the red chapska is announced on the web as Rgt.3 but at Fort de la Pompelle, the yellow one is also presented as being Rgt.3. We know well that since the rearrangement of the collections of this museum, there are a lot of absurdities on the presentation labels, so we no longer know which Saint to devote ourselves to??

 

[Sandmann]

A red „Paraderabatte“ and a a golden eagle with FWR was worn only by UR No. 2. UR No. 1 wore a white color and UR No. 3 a yellow color. All other Prussian regiments wore the Prussian line eagle or guard eagle.

 

[JPT]

Great ! Thank you so much

I have a copy of some of these documents but they are not very readable

 

[CLOVIS 57]

I agree with Sandy and JPT. Basically, eagle with oval and FWR for the 1-3 Prussian regiments: JB, FAR, and UR.
And yes, the Pompelle is no longer a reference. That's the problem with museums, which are run by ‘civil servants’ who have studied antiquities, prehistory, the Egypt of the Pharaohs or the paintings of Rubens.
Whereas the small WW1 museums organised by privat collectors are run by enthusiasts with ‘surgical’ knowledge.

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[Khukri]

Do you have any knowledge or reference material regarding the identification of these Uhlan chapska and others (relationship between colors and Wappen) ??
You see, the red chapska is announced on the web as Rgt.3 but at Fort de la Pompelle, the yellow one is also presented as being Rgt.3. We know well that since the rearrangement of the collections of this museum, there are a lot of absurdities on the presentation labels, so we no longer know which Saint to devote ourselves to??
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I agree: the fantastic Friesé Collection has been messed up...

 

[Tony without Kaiser]

// You see, the red chapska is announced on the web as Rgt.3 but at Fort de la Pompelle, the yellow one is also presented as being Rgt.3. //

You could look on Kaiser's Bunker for quick answers. My essay on Imperial German Uniforms lists all Regiments and Battalions, name, garrison, uniform, cuffs, collar, helmet. It's a reference site to help people to learn. All typed with two fingers.

Screen shot below. There you see UR Nr.1, UR Nr.2, and UR Nr.3 with 1st pattern Grenadier eagles.

 

[CLOVIS 57]

To illustrate the "Silver" 2nd pattern Grenadier Eagle of Tony's painting
Here's an eagle from UR7, known as a grenadier with gliding wings (after 1897). In fact, the design is different from the grenadier-fantassin eagle. It's in tombac, the wings don't have the same curve, the sword doesn't have an S-shaped cross and the scepter ends in an eaglet rather than an acanthus bud.

 

[KAGGR#1]

A red „Paraderabatte“ and a a golden eagle with FWR was worn only by UR No. 2. UR No. 1 wore a white color and UR No. 3 a yellow color. All other Prussian regiments wore the Prussian line eagle or guard eagle.
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Great post Sandy !
When it comes to the officers Uhlan helmets
I have seen U R 3 with the "Russian Muster "
the yellow rabatt is permeant to the helmet
where the helmet body below the rabatt is
a wide gold tressa
That is a beautiful helmet
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

To illustrate the "Silver" 2nd pattern Grenadier Eagle of Tony's painting
Here's an eagle from UR7, known as a grenadier with gliding wings (after 1897). In fact, the design is different from the grenadier-fantassin eagle. It's in tombac, the wings don't have the same curve, the sword doesn't have an S-shaped cross and the scepter ends in an eaglet rather than an acanthus bud.
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U R 7
another great regiment
Steve

 

[JPT]

You could look on Kaiser's Bunker for quick answers. My essay on Imperial German Uniforms lists all Regiments and Battalions, name, garrison, uniform, cuffs, collar, helmet. It's a reference site to help people to learn. All typed with two fingers.

Screen shot below. There you see UR Nr.1, UR Nr.2, and UR Nr.3 with 1st pattern Grenadier eagles.

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Thank you for information .
As my post became a post on the Rgt.7 chapska, looking at the table, I don't see any regiment wearing a wappen with a silver grenadier eagle 1st pattern ???

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Thank you for information .
As my post became a post on the Rgt.7 chapska, looking at the table, I don't see any regiment wearing a wappen with a silver grenadier eagle 1st pattern ???View attachment 51796

As far as I know , this eagle, designed by Linien-Grenadier after 1897 but in nickel silver, is the exclusive appanage of the DR3 “Grenadier à cheval”.This eagle is much rarer than the more wavy-winged Ulan.

 

[KAGGR#1]

As far as I know , this eagle, designed by Linien-Grenadier after 1897 but in nickel silver, is the exclusive appanage of the DR3 “Grenadier à cheval”.This eagle is much rarer than the more wavy-winged Ulan.
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Clovis
Correct
Here is mine
Steve

 

[2nd.Leibhusar]

OMG Steve....that's a whopper....what a rare beast

 

[KAGGR#1]

OMG Steve....that's a whopper....what a rare beast

Thank you
Many years ago from a collector friend
Steve

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Même les modèles 1915 possédaient l'aigle des Gardes sans étoile, spécifique à Chapska.

 

[KAGGR#1]

Même les modèles 1915 possédaient l'aigle des Gardes sans étoile, spécifique à Chapska.View attachment 51811

More or a lot of them were missing the Garde Star
with or without , a great helmet
Steve

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Only the eagle of the officers and private purchase extra helmet of the 2 G.U.R. resembled the Garde-Adler of the officer's spiked helmets, but the wingtip remiges were deployed on the Chapska, and gathered on the spiked helmets.
And for the spiked helmet, the crowned eagle head is larger than on the G.U.R. 0fficier-Adler.
Even for G.U.R. officers and GGR or GzFR officers, the eagles are different.

 

[KAGGR#1]

Même les modèles 1915 possédaient l'aigle des Gardes sans étoile, spécifique à Chapska.View attachment 51811

with the star
Steve

 

[KAGGR#1]

Only the eagle of the officers and private purchase extra helmet of the 2 G.U.R. resembled the Garde-Adler of the officer's spiked helmets, but the wingtip remiges were deployed on the Chapska, and gathered on the spiked helmets. View attachment 51836View attachment 51837
And for the spiked helmet, the crowned eagle head is larger than on the G.U.R. 0fficier-Adler. View attachment 51843
Even for G.U.R. officers and GGR or GzFR officers, the eagles are different.

Garde U R 2 &3
Steve

 

[CLOVIS 57]

Thanks, Steve,
Still that eagle of the Guard for simple Ulan with the very wavy wing fold.