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joerookery

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I know nothing about bayonets and would love to learn. Your signature made me smile. An old ditty.

Do you hear the tom-toms beating Sergeant Flynn?

Do you hear the Sioux bucks singing Sergeant Flynn?

Keep those carbines firing faster in the face of sheer disaster for they know not yet the tune of Garry Owen.

Garry Owen, Garry Owen, Garry Owen -- in this Valley of Montana all alone. There are better men than me in the eighth cavalry for they know not yet the tune of Garry Owen.
 
We sang:

There'll be better days to see for the seventh cavalry when we charge again for dear old Garryowen!!

Probably some silly politics that changed the lyrics!

Great to find another 7th Cav soldier!

I was in B Troop, a mortar maggot, and did my time in OIF II in Baghdad, Iraq.

Got out last April.

Thanks for letting me be a part of this group. I know nothing of Pickelhauben, but I do plan on purchasing one some day soon. Before I delve into the world of pickelhauben, I want to know ALOT more before I spend $600 on a fake helmet when I could have paid $400 for a real one somewhere. It's not like bayonets, where the chances of getting fakes is slim and only applies to certain very specific bayonets.

If you ever have any questions about Imperial German (or any other countries) bayonets, I would be glad to help!

Garryowen!!!
 
Always good to see another cavalry sandwich! I was part of a distinguished mortar crew I'm embarrassed to say three decades ago.
Albeit I did my bit quite a time ago it is good to have you back- sorry for what you had to see.

You are extremely welcome here! I was very interested in the explanation you gave of the KS bayonet. I looked in old catalogs but could not find one prewar that could be purchased. Do you know the date that these were started in use? They certainly look like a prewar type design but again I know nothing about bayonets.
 
Joe

The kS (kurzes Seitengewehr)98 was introduced 30 April 1901, being designed for use by MG truppen and was originally called the Seitengewehr fur Maschinegewehr-Schutzen. The designation was changed to k.S.98 23 Feb 1905. By 1914, many different support troops were issued k.S.98's. This bayonet with the pronounced beak pommel, sawback blade & a steel scabbard were produced until 1915.

Geo
 
Geo is dead on in this description of the bayonet. The only thing that I would add is the other types of units that were issued this bayonet, as it clearly was only a select few.

Among these were the Kaiserliche Schutztruppe, which, according to what I have seen and the research I have done, were issued more KS98s than any other unit, including MG units. The Schutztruppe Kamerun and of German East Africa (regimental markings Sch.K. and Sch. D.O.A. were also issued this type of bayonet, but in lower numbers.

In addition to those Colonial German units, several other "prestige units" were issued the KS98 on an official basis. These included Flieger and Airship Recon units, Searchlight Detatchments of Engineer Batallions, and so on.

In Jeff Noll's "The Imperial German Regimental Marking," he lists a total of 24 regimentally marked examples of the KS98, of which 13 were issued to the Kaiserliche Schutztruppe. There are a few examples marked to the 2nd and 3rd Telegraph batallions, a Jager batallion, and even a train batallion. I have also seen KS98s marked S.B. for Seebataillons, P.T.K. for the Police Troop of Kamerun and even some basic Infantry Unit markings as well.

In terms of numbers, comparitively few KS98s were made. Having ceased production in 1915, and replaced by the S84/98 2nd Pattern, the KS98 missed the massive wartime production that makes the 98/05s and 84/98s so much more common. However, they left their mark on the German Army, and anyone who was anyone wanted a KS98. This is demonstrated by the fact that there is only one known period photo of an officer wearing a 98/05, despite the fact that they were ordered to wear them. The majority wore KS98s, and when an issue KS98 couldn't be found, the opted for the large number of private purchase bayonets that became available to them. This in turn had a profound effect on the 3rd Reich's extraseitengewehr (dress bayonets), all of which were based of the KS98. These dress bayonets are sometimes (and in my opinion, mistakenly) reffered to as the KS98 as well.

So, as you can see, it really isn't a pre-war bayonet, and it is a bayonet of great importance, both in influence, and in who it was issued to. It's sleek design in combination with its pragmatic size and blade made it a bayonet ahead of its time. Indeed, all one as to do is compare the bayonets of other countries of that time to see what I mean. At least the KS98 could be used as a fighting knife and a saw, while the French were running around with t backed and cruciform blades which are only good for one thing.

I hope someone reads this tripe!!
Thanks for letting me post it!

Nate
 
Hey Nate,
Good tripe, just because there are not many responses, do not think that know one is paying attention, welcome aboard, watch out for Joe though, I think he has gone Navy.
Gus
 
For those interested in the KS 98 bayonet, the reference German Bayonets, by Anthony Carter, volume 2, pages 131 - 145, contains good information on the bayonet and units to which it was issued. Carter lists more than 75 unit marked examples.

Reservist1
 
There is no doubt that Anthony Carter is the authority on all things German bayonet, however, good luck finding his books. I've been searching now for the past year, on and off, and haven't come up with anything with the exception of one on the 98/02 volume and 98/05 series, which was a precursor to the same volume in the four volume series on German Bayonets.
 
I actually made a mistake on that tidbit I wrote on the KS98 series bayonet. Those that are marked "S.B." actually denote a very rare Ski Battalion marking. The regimental marking S.B. usually denotes Sea Battalion, but there are several things to take into account when identifying regimental markings. In this case, a Naval unit would most likely not be issued a KS98 bayonet, which was reserved for prestige units and the type of units that would need a smaller bayonet, such as Telegraph units. However, when I first saw this regimental, I knew of no other translation. I am quite happy to find that it denotes a Ski Battalion, making it one of the rarest regimental markings that I know of.
 
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