What do you think about this steel helmet Saxe ?
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Sandmann
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It could be a test helmet, but there are many question marks. Why is it an officer's helmet, and why does it come from a Landwehr officer? I don't believe that tests would have been performed by inactive units. However, some parts look original, but not the liner, the rear spine, the cockade and the emblem. I believe that at least these parts weren’t originally intended for this helmet.
CLOVIS 57
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Fancy helmet, which never existed. Shell, possibly from a firefighter's helmet, repainted black, equipped with a Dragoon officer's spike, a Dragoon “troop” band, which is too short at the top!
The star nuts are new, but the plate and chin strap appear to be old.
The Landcocarde has been repainted and does not correspond to that of a Saxon officer.
The inner lining is new. Of no interest, except for salvaging spare parts.
The star nuts are new, but the plate and chin strap appear to be old.
The Landcocarde has been repainted and does not correspond to that of a Saxon officer.
The inner lining is new. Of no interest, except for salvaging spare parts.
JPT
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This confirms what I thought. You shouldn't trust these auction houses. They'd sell their own mothers and pass them off as Brigitte Bardot.
Trust yourself. As a well-known Belgian collector told me once "If you don't know what you are buying, you don't buy".This confirms what I thought. You shouldn't trust these auction houses. They'd sell their own mothers and pass them off as Brigitte Bardot.
Knowledge will also come from experienced fellow collectors though.
GardeUlan
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Beware of Buchwald… he once sold me once an „original“ item from Prussia, which turned out to be Swedish…. He buys left overs from HH, Kube or other auction houses.This confirms what I thought. You shouldn't trust these auction houses. They'd sell their own mothers and pass them off as Brigitte Bardot.
JPT
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I don't buy anything from anyone. I'm not a collector.
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argonne
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Ach!! Alles klar! I already thought, as I saw the pict, that this helmet was one of Antik-Buchwald fabulous collection 
This person is not only deceitful but also rude and sorely lacking in courtesy.
Just look at his Frankenstein gallery:
I asked him last year for more detailed pictures of his Mecklenburg-Strelitz Artillerie Helm:
antik-buchwald.com
He categorically refused to unscrew the plate to send me a photo of the back.
Philippe
This person is not only deceitful but also rude and sorely lacking in courtesy.
Just look at his Frankenstein gallery:
I asked him last year for more detailed pictures of his Mecklenburg-Strelitz Artillerie Helm:
Mecklenburg-Strelitz: Artillerie Helm
mecklenburg-strelitz: feldwebel helm aus dem feld-artillerie rgt. 24 / 3. batt. lederkorpus mit messingbeschlägen. schraubkugel. gewölbte schuppenketten an rosetten. reichs- sowie landeskokarde in feldwebelausführung. lederlaschenfutter. die schirme narb
He categorically refused to unscrew the plate to send me a photo of the back.
Philippe
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The plate is upside down.
CLOVIS 57
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The ball is not positioned correctly either. On a helmet like this, the ventilation hole should be aligned with the front rivet.
This battery didn't have the Busch insignia, so the spike should be fixed, on a "Kammer" (military rifle).
Then we have a few other interesting details. The crest's attachment tabs, the eyelets behind the front plate, and the liner all point to an M95 "Kammer".
But:
---The square nuts on the plate are not.
---The M71 "enlisted" chinstrap is also not.
At first glance, all the trimmings appear authentic, but "composite". It all depends on the price.
Peter B
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Well their website bookmark is now out of my favourites. My wife and I were in Coburg a couple years ago and I wanted to see their stuff but when I contacted them they said - sorry not open - even though I was there all the way from Canada. Now I am glad they weren't open LOL.
The Strelitz plate also appears to be a copy.
argonne
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Yes, of course Bruno, look at all the small bubbles at the bottom....Buchwald sent me a better pict of the Wappen, here it is. Curiously, this time right-side-up . So he must have removed the Wappen from the shell... Then why did he said, he did not want to take the Wappen from the helmet? We understand now
Philippe
No doubt that it is a fake, at this higher magnification.Yes, of course Bruno, look at all the small bubbles at the bottom....Buchwald sent me a better pict of the Wappen, here it is. Curiously, this time right-side-up . So he must have removed the Wappen from the shell... Then why did he said, he did not want to take the Wappen from the helmet? We understand now
Philippe
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CLOVIS 57
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Yes, fortunately these plates all have the same defect of having three welded points. Same with Kammerbulle, same with Spikehelmet's or Regimental. 
Once again, remain vigilant and focus on the "detail" of the "prestigious" feature, because often the helmet itself is authentic. This is very often the case with non-regimented officer's helmets. The trick is to buy a common Prussian officer's helmet and replace the eagle with a starred eagle bearing rare, but copied, coats of arms! Then you can sell it for three times its cost price.
Last year at the Sankt-Avold Militaria Fair (Reichsland Alsace-Lorraine), there was a "Patina" stand. It was the same old story: food and drink, as they say in France... in other words, good stuff but very expensive, and not-so-good stuff, but too expensive.
Once again, remain vigilant and focus on the "detail" of the "prestigious" feature, because often the helmet itself is authentic. This is very often the case with non-regimented officer's helmets. The trick is to buy a common Prussian officer's helmet and replace the eagle with a starred eagle bearing rare, but copied, coats of arms! Then you can sell it for three times its cost price.
Last year at the Sankt-Avold Militaria Fair (Reichsland Alsace-Lorraine), there was a "Patina" stand. It was the same old story: food and drink, as they say in France... in other words, good stuff but very expensive, and not-so-good stuff, but too expensive.