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I can't figure it out but this doesn't seem right to me. Seems to my inexpert eye to be a mixture of officer and enlisted rank parts. Are any experts on the Model 1842 in the house?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300955828313?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Well, just my 2 cents worth (tuppence that is!), I can't tell if the cockade is leather, which I think it should be and might be. To ME, the helmet looks good except the spike, which looks like a Hessen... from who knows when... 1890's?
Of course, I may be 100% wrong!

:D Ron
 
I'm not an expert eighter, but it looks like an aged replica from top to bottom...

Adler
 
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186298-d3812858-r154236715-Antiques_Storehouse-Portsmouth_Hampshire_England.html#REVIEWS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Indeed.
 
I told you I might be 100% wrong! I also missed that these were stitched under the back spine... as far as I know... and this one isn't. So Karel, I think you have it right.


:D Ron
 
Although I am certainly not an expert, I agree with other forum members that this is a fake. One of things that worries me is the liner that appears to be dyed on both sides, which usually is a bad sign.

Regards,

Edwin
 
Here's a not-so-cheap real looking one from a site that often inflates market prices ( :-x ) to compare with:

https://www.weitze.net/detail/99/Preussen_Pickelhaube_Modell_1842_fuer_einen_Offizier_Infanterie__202699_e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
That's about the going rate for one... between $6,000 and $7,000 US. Yeah, I missed the unstitched dome on the fake, but didn't notice the liner.
I'm going to delete my comment, hang my head in shame and eat some worms. Well, maybe I'll go to Worms and have a Bier. :wink:


:D Ron
 
Here's a not-so-cheap real looking one from a site that often inflates market prices ( :-x ) to compare with:

https://www.weitze.net/detail/99/Preuss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 699_e.html

Some body must ask.? What is the market prices?, for any?
I think iof any body wants to pay what they want thats the market prices. But this store has the best because they say so
 
drewlarge said:
Here's a not-so-cheap real looking one from a site that often inflates market prices ( :-x ) to compare with:

https://www.weitze.net/detail/99/Preuss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 699_e.html

Some body must ask.? What is the market prices?, for any?
I think iof any body wants to pay what they want thats the market prices. But this store has the best because they say so
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If you're saying that general market prices are set by collectors as a whole, you've got that part right, but if you mean according to an individual collector's willingness to pay, then that's completely wrong. Market prices are based on average winning bids on auctioned items, selling prices at shows and through individual dealers. I wish that I, as an individual collector, could set market price, that would be like dream come true.
Personally, I've purchased two helmets from Weitz. One was an example that is fairly rare and the other was in pristine condition. I've had nothing but good luck with them (I'm not saying that I like every item they sell, just that the ones I've purchased are good examples). I can also recommend Age of Kings as a reputable dealer.. probably one the best IMHO.

:D Ron
 
Ah, the good old Who Sets Market Prices? question! I agree with Ron’s analysis for items that turn up regularly, but for top-quality rarities dealers can ask pretty much what they want and someone will pay it. That someone has been me now and again. I've never regretted paying over the odds for something I wanted and wouldn't see again. I have however regretted passing things up. I justify it by a) mentally offseting the wallet pain against the bargains I've bought, b) the enjoyment I get from owning a grail piece.

I've never bought from Weitze but I have bought from the UK equivalents. I've had some superb pieces from them, and just occasionally I had to return something. I believe that if you know your subject you can buy well from almost any dealer. A couple of years ago I bought a stunning badged 1st pattern Brodie from the seller of the “1842” above at quite a reasonable price. More recently, I had an outstanding bargain from one of the biggest rogues going (it might be best if I don’t name him here). I've had to pay the same tuition fees as everyone else over a period of years, and now and again I still get caught out.

If I wanted to make a living as a dealer, I’d be scrupulous about selling only genuine, good-quality unmessed pieces at top prices. Not many dealers seem to do that though. Too much temptation I suppose.
 
I've had to pay the same tuition fees as everyone else over a period of years, and now and again I still get caught out.
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:thumb up: :thumb up: Well said! In my opinion a second set of eyes and a good honest appraisal that you can trust is worth a lot. Friendship counts here. My two cents is that I have seen collectors raise their prices significantly when someone came by who was not well thought of. Conversely, I have seen prices drop incredibly low between fellow collectors. That's why I am such a fan of SOS – not only do relationships grow but there is another benefit that the trusted guys find some of those treasures pulled out of hiding from under the tables. Last year at SOS there was a huge deal made between buyers and multiple vendors for great quality high-end stuff. Much of this stuff never made it to the top of the tables. This deal was brokered by a member of this forum and everyone got a great deal. :thumb up: :thumb up:
 
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