Zinc Prussian Dragoon Officer

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Background: As the war progressed, the Germans just as in WW2 suffered from a metals shortage. Consequently, they turned to substitutes and in this case we see an example of zinc helmet fittings. When zinc was used for a "brass type" helmet, the fittings had some sort of gold coloured wash on them to simulate brass. The same for neusilber fittings...a silver wash over zinc.

Description: The piece shown here, is a Prussian Dragoon officer from a regiment which had silver buttons on their tunics (pre 1910) and silver (nickel plated) helmet fittings. In my experience, the manufacturers during the war tried to maintain pre war quality for the wappen and used whatever nickel plated/zinc combinations to complete the helmet. This is what we see in the example shown here:
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Typically the silver/gold wash disappears over time revealing the zinc beneath. So here we see...zinc chin scales, zinc spike and base BUT brass stars. If you look closely, the visor trim is also pre war nickel plated.
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A side view showing more mixed parts....neusilber rosettes. The officer kokarde ring has also been repainted by some collector because it is also grey zinc. Last, the "pearl ring" on the spike neck is pre war quality.
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A zinc spine.
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The interior is in excellent condition and pre war quality. Many of these mid war officer helmets had different cloth used which was of poor quality and simply falls apart over time.
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The Reich kokarde ring has also been repainted to hide the zinc. Again, a nice cavalry style convex rosette which fits tightly over the scale.
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A pre war officer wappen, heavily oxidized but still showing parts of the original frosting.
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The reverse, showing steel posts and steel nuts. Pre 1914 these would have been in brass. The spike base stars also have brass prongs instead of screw posts, which is another indication of wartime production. Last, although not shown here, many wartime officer wappen have soldered wappen prongs instead of the usual screw posts. So if you see one of these, this gives you a reference for when it was made.

Summary: This is a great example of the mix of pre war and zinc fittings which you will find on wartime officer helmets. I was offered this helmet for purchase but turned it down as most collectors either rightly or wrongly do not want these helmets. These pieces are totally legitimate but they are not pleasing to the eyes :( my opinion only. WW2 collectors will also know about "pot metal" badges, this is the WW1 version being shown here. One last bit of information....I did have a Prussian infantry officer wappen in zinc years ago so you may encounter that as well. In my experience though, as stated at the beginning a zinc officer wappen is rare.
 
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Background: As the war progressed, the Germans just as in WW2 suffered from a metals shortage. Consequently, they turned to substitutes and in this case we see an example of zinc helmet fittings. When zinc was used for a "brass type" helmet, the fittings had some sort of gold coloured wash on them to simulate brass. The same for neusilber fittings...a silver wash over zinc.

Description: The piece shown here, is a Prussian Dragoon officer from a regiment which had silver buttons on their tunics (pre 1910) and silver (nickel plated) helmet fittings. In my experience, the manufacturers during the war tried to maintain pre war quality for the wappen and used whatever nickel plated/zinc combinations to complete the helmet. This is what we see in the example shown here:
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Typically the silver/gold wash disappears over time revealing the zinc beneath. So here we see...zinc chin scales, zinc spike and base BUT brass stars. If you look closely, the visor trim is also pre war nickel plated.
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A side view showing more mixed parts....neusilber rosettes. The officer kokarde ring has also been repainted by some collector because it is also grey zinc. Last, the "pearl ring" on the spike neck is pre war quality.
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A zinc spine.
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The interior is in excellent condition and pre war quality. Many of these mid war officer helmets had different cloth used which was of poor quality and simply falls apart over time.
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The Reich kokarde ring has also been repainted to hide the zinc. Again, a nice cavalry style convex rosette which fits tightly over the scale.
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A pre war officer wappen, heavily oxidized but still showing parts of the original frosting.
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The reverse, showing steel posts and steel nuts. Pre 1914 these would have been in brass. The spike base stars also have brass prongs instead of screw posts, which is another indication of wartime production. Last, although not shown here, many wartime officer wappen have soldered wappen prongs instead of the usual screw posts. So if you see one of these, this gives you a reference for when it was made.

Summary: This is a great example of the mix of pre war and zinc fittings which you will find on wartime officer helmets. I was offered this helmet for purchase but turned it down as most collectors either rightly or wrongly do not want these helmets. These pieces are totally legitimate but they are not pleasing to the eyes :( my opinion only. WW2 collectors will also know about "pot metal" badges, this is the WW1 version being shown here. One last bit of information....I did have a Prussian infantry officer wappen in zinc years ago so you may encounter that as well. In my experience though, as stated at the beginning a zinc officer wappen is rare.
Brian
Has it been sent to you to restore?
Or is it in your collection ?
I think that front plate would clen up nicely
But maybe it should be left "as is "
to match the rest of the helmet
Interesting post
Steve
 
Hi Steve: It was sent to me to have a look at and potentially to buy along with a couple of others which I had bought. I tried to convince myself to pull the trigger because it is a rare officer piece but I can't sink funds into an incomplete zinc helmet. I even offered it to other collector friends but no sale. If someone here is interested PM me.
 
Hello,
I had a Prussian officer's M71/99 :
I had a Prussian officier's M15 with lots of gilded brass and gilded zinc :
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But when I saw this one passing within range, I jumped on it, without hesitation.
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M15 officer in gilded Kriegsmetal, only the side post and Prussian eagle are in brass. Open face helmet with M15 campaign chinstrap.
The 2 helmets have brown varnished cardboard sweatbands. The last one's not pretty, but it's a field helmet, for a Landwehr junior officer, or an Offizierstellvertreter, for example.
 
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Very nice Thierry! I have a Garde officer helmet which has some zinc parts (chin scales) but the wappen is pre war quality. I will post some photos here.
 
Hello,
I had a Prussian officer's M71/99 :
I had a Prussian officier's M15 with lots of gilded brass and gilded zinc :
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But when I saw this one passing within range, I jumped on it, without hesitation.
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M15 officer in gilded Kriegsmetal, only the side post and Prussian eagle are in brass. Open face helmet with M15 campaign chinstrap.
The 2 helmets have brown varnished cardboard sweatbands. The last one's not pretty, but it's a field helmet, for a Landwehr junior officer, or an Offizierstellvertreter, for example.
I like your helmets.
Nice post and thanks for the photos.
I guess trying to complete the chin straps would be
too much for Brian ( or anyone) to find and complete.
Steve
 
Hi Brian, Strange how things go it really is a small world that is actually my helmet I bought it for a giveaway price in PA from a friend of mine (y)
I thought it looked familiar. :unsure:
 
Yes small world John. Unfortunately, few collectors want these.
 
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Yes small wsorld John. Unfortunately, few collectors want these.

That makes the ones that do very happy ;) (y)

I find them pretty interesting and a fascinating part of telling the complete story of Pickelhaubes. What a contrast to the expensive quality of the early days.

My favorite items are the war time items and the story behind their need to change materials while still trying to keep up the outer appearance.
 
As promised, my Garde officer with a combination of zinc and pre war fittings:
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Zinc scales and visor trim with pre war wappen, spike and stars!
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Zinc spine and rosette. It is hard to tell but I suspect that the officer kokarde ring is also zinc.
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A beautiful pristine interior! :) I have had this helmet for decades and it is very special to me. Years ago I received an email asking if I would be interested in buying this helmet. It was situated in a small Ontario town on the shore of Lake Huron called Kincardine. My parents lived there for 30+ years, by this time both had passed. I packed up wife and 2 kids in the car and drove 3 hours to Kincardine met the owner and made the purchase. He was the grand nephew of the CEF WW1 doctor who had brought it back as a war souvenir! Never in my wildest collector dreams could I have imagined buying a great helmet out of this small Ontario town! This is an example of one of those special collector memories that most of us older, long time treasure hunters have! :) Subsequently, I divorced the wife but managed to keep the helmet!! :D:D To her credit and despite her flawed personality, it was she who first created this forum and the rest is History!
 
My thanks to both of you gentlemen. Once again collectors you see that I am using an antique wooden hat form, only this time some other collector has made a "stand" for it. These are not very practical in regard to space and weight but they do keep the shell from shrinking inward and remove any weight on the visors.
 
As promised, my Garde officer with a combination of zinc and pre war fittings:
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Zinc scales and visor trim with pre war wappen, spike and stars!
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Zinc spine and rosette. It is hard to tell but I suspect that the officer kokarde ring is also zinc.
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A beautiful pristine interior! :) I have had this helmet for decades and it is very special to me. Years ago I received an email asking if I would be interested in buying this helmet. It was situated in a small Ontario town on the shore of Lake Huron called Kincardine. My parents lived there for 30+ years, by this time both had passed. I packed up wife and 2 kids in the car and drove 3 hours to Kincardine met the owner and made the purchase. He was the grand nephew of the CEF WW1 doctor who had brought it back as a war souvenir! Never in my wildest collector dreams could I have imagined buying a great helmet out of this small Ontario town! This is an example of one of those special collector memories that most of us older, long time treasure hunters have! :) Subsequently, I divorced the wife but managed to keep the helmet!! :D:D To her credit and despite her flawed personality, it was she who first created this forum and the rest is History!
Brian
I like your helmet
and I like your story
Many thanks to your ex-wife for her help
I am happy that you didn't have to give her your
helmet or the PH.com site as settlement for the divorce!
Steve
 
My thanks to both of you gentlemen. Once again collectors you see that I am using an antique wooden hat form, only this time some other collector has made a "stand" for it. These are not very practical in regard to space and weight but they do keep the shell from shrinking inward and remove any weight on the visors.
Also IMO there is no face to distract from the helmet
Steve
 
Here's one I used to own, and I decided to sell it about 10 years ago. I had acquired it from a collector friend who told me that he acquired it from the family of a 42nd "Rainbow Division" veteran who supposedly brought it home from WW1.

Like Brian mentioned, I didn't particularly care for the look of the zinc fittings on the helmet and I decided to sell it. In retrospect I probably should have kept it.

The helmet body is vulcan fibre.

Everything except for the Wappen was made of zinc type metal with gold wash. Most of the gold wash had come off from the zinc fittings. I added the pre-war brass chinscales to the helmet a year or two before I sold it.

The cloth headliner was an ersatz type material, and not silk like we normally see in the pre-war helmets.

The Guard Star was the wartime style with no enamel behind the "Suum Cuique" motto. It was painted silver color.

Best Wishes,

Alan





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Here's one I used to own, and I decided to sell it about 10 years ago. I had acquired it from a collector friend who told me that he acquired it from the family of a 42nd "Rainbow Division" veteran who supposedly brought it home from WW1.

Like Brian mentioned, I didn't particularly care for the look of the zinc fittings on the helmet and I decided to sell it. In retrospect I probably should have kept it.

The helmet body is vulcan fibre.

Everything except for the Wappen was made of zinc type metal with gold wash. Most of the gold wash had come off from the zinc fittings. I added the pre-war brass chinscales to the helmet a year or two before I sold it.

The cloth headliner was an ersatz type material, and not silk like we normally see in the pre-war helmets.

The Guard Star was the wartime style with no enamel behind the "Suum Cuique" motto. It was painted silver color.

Best Wishes,

Alan





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I find no fault with that helmet
Nice photos
Thanks
Steve
 
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