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Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:12 am

Hello Gents,

Although I'm still yet to negotiate a price I was offered these picklehauben from a family friend today. These will be my first. My knowledge of pickelhaube is very slim to none hence why I joined this website which I have enjoyed viewing thus far, especially the restorations.

Anyway the four helmets, nothing special and all rough as guts but I feel will still look presentable enough after a light clean amongst other WW1 related militaria.

Helmet 1: I believe a Model 1895 pioneer Helmet? Chin strap looks repo, Cockades have been repainted (badly), don't know if they are orig or not as I'm still a novice and haven't done my homework yet. Worried about the plate as well as it just seems to lack detail of the others. Rear visor also needs restitching. "PB10" pressed into the rear visor along with what looks like a date stamp but i cant make it out (It looks like 1908 but cant be sure).

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:43 am

Helmet 2: 1895 Artillery? All brass fittings, chin strap appears original, only has the one cockade which again looks repainted. unfortunately the front visor band is broken in half however still sits in place, and looks as if something has sat on top of it and pushed the crown in slightly. I do love the Wappen though, nice crisp detail (private purchase?). Cant find any markings.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:59 am

Helmet 3: Model 1915 Prussian, solid Helm with original chin strap, no cockades. Little bit of surface rust on spike base, and unfortunately the Wappen has the Orb missing. It looks like the Orb was once held on by thread (still present). Has a "9" stamped in the rear Visor and another stamp which I cant read except for "Dusseldorf". The line above it looks like "VII. A. K."?

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:18 am

Last one, another 1915 but Bayern, slightly miss-shappen, original chinstrap and again no cockades. the posts have been broken of the Wappen and it as been wired on. Stamp inside has 241 in box with "B.D. III" and "1916". Has a name on rear visor but haven't a clue what it says. "R. L????...

All the helmets have supple liners and chin straps.

Cheers!

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by J.LeBrasseur » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:14 am

Welcome to the forum, I think all 4 look fine, and a great way to start collecting. clean them up a little, find the missing parts and there you go.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by SkipperJohn » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:21 pm

Welcome aboard.
I think that all four are good, but I have a couple of concerns.
The Pioneer Wappen is exceptionally pristine. That always makes me curious.
The rear spine on the Pioneer lacks a vent. Could be a replacement part.
The Wappen on the artillery Haube appears to be an officers pattern.
Depending upon price I would buy them all. The parts you would need can be found.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:54 pm

Thank you for your welcome and comments Gents, they are appreciated.

Skipper, The Pioneer Wappen concerns me as well. I'll post some pics in the natural light today (although here in New Zealand weather isn't that flash at the moment).

I read on Tony's Kaiser Bunker that the rear spine with vent was initially only added to Infantry 1895 helmets with other units not being issued them until after 1914? Was thinking that was maybe the case with this one.

The Artillery Wappen looks like its always been there so I don't think I will mess with it. (Granted it could have been swapped out or replaced post war 90 years ago).


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Jeremy

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:58 pm

Some close ups of the Pioneer Wappen under some natural light. One thing I've noticed is that all the metal parts appear to have been varnished at some stage. easier to see on the spine and spike, not so easy to photograph on the Wappen. The Wappen has a slight yellowish hue but you can see silver highlights where the varnish has worn off.

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Post by JK1945 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:06 pm

In these pics you can clearly see the varnish on the other parts. Also after looking at the stamp in the light next to PB10 I have confirmed its "1908". Also the spike unfortunately has some damage near the tip.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by SkipperJohn » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:22 pm

The Wappen is good, immaculate actually.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the varnish. The metal parts were originally lacquered, but more often I've seen dealers varnish these so they appear "brighter". The varnish usually comes off pretty easy. If it is original it only enhances the helmet.
Depending upon price these would be an outstanding start to any Pickelhaube collection.

John :)

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by aicusv » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:39 am

Nice fines.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:34 am

Cheers Gentlemen,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge John, much appreciated :thumb up:

Regards,

Jeremy.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by SkipperJohn » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:54 am

JK1945 wrote:Cheers Gentlemen,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge John, much appreciated :thumb up:

Regards,

Jeremy.
After a closer look at the photos of the spike and rear spine, I wouldn't touch the varnish/lacquer. It may very well be original.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:51 am

Thanks John,

I'll only give it a light clean to get rid of the dirt. Varnish will stay.

Regards,

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by kaiser » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:49 pm

Some cleaning ,a little sewing on those visors and it will be a big diffrence these look great and best of all they are not those chinafreaky things but helmets that have seen the actual field
Great helmets to start a collection :thumb up:

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:19 am

Thanks Jonas :thumb up:

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Post by Jaap Verduijn » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:07 am

Wow! The Pionier Wappen is nigh perfect! Incredibly well preserved, and no doubt in my mind about it being original! Congratulations, you got some good stuff!
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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by pickelhauben » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:16 am

You will be lucky to start off with these 4 !!!

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Post by USMC-EOD » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:23 pm

Those look great. I wish I had been as lucky to find as many varied examples when I started collecting these! Outstanding, and welcome aboard.

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Post by b.loree » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:02 am

Great to have you join us. Regarding the artillery, that is an officer wappen and does not belong. The rear spine also has a slider vent which does not work on an arty helmet. Probably this was an M95 Prussian infantry helmet originally. You are very lucky to be offered 4 to start a collection. Buy them all if you can afford it! :D
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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:02 am

Thanks Gents,

Brian, just had a look at the slider and it doesn't move, would that imply that it is likely Arty? (Might be just seized, hesitant to apply to much pressure). I will hopefully be able to buy all four, the chap that's selling them to me is in no rush so I have lots of time before I make an offer. I am stumped in regards to value though, so will likely spend the next few weeks doing some homework.

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by b.loree » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:01 pm

Jeremy the true arty M95 rear spine has no slider vent at all. BTW it wasn't just dealers who put lacquer on metal fittings old time collectors did it too in order to not have to polish their brass. If you have to make a choice of helmets, ie he wants too much for all 4 buy the Bavarian and the Pioneer. If you can only afford one helmet.....grab the pioneer! That helmet is well marked (correct to PB 10) and fairly rare. Let us know how you make out.
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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by edwin » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:45 pm

Nice helmets :D

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by Grausig13 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:02 am

The Bavarian bears the distinct III Armee Korps "Bekleidungsdepot" style with an Hersteller code. I and II AK simply use a Bekleidungsamt without any Hersteller. Any traces of a unit stamp, perhaps? Often in the dome, not the skirt.
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Re: Four Pickelhaube

Post by JK1945 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:24 am

I'm away from home at the moment but I'll check the dome when I get back on the 17th.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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