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Weekend Excursion to a Sleepy Little Museum - Suprise

Post by ww1czechlegion » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:34 pm

I stumbled onto this stunning 1910 & 1914 dated & unit marked Hessian 24th Dragoon Reg't enlisted helmet. I'm working on trying to aquire it, and figure I have about a 50/50 odds chance of being able to buy it. It was brought back by a WW1 Vet, and donated in 1980....

It's in beautiful condition. Minus the two end links on the left side chinscale, unfortunately, and the Hessian kokarde is missing as well.

The helmet was being displayed sitting on the visors, and the chinscales had been displayed folded under the helmet (ouch!), and I'm suprised that the leather wasn't broken on them, other than the two pieces at the very end. Thus the reason why they are so incredibly bowed out when placed onto the visor as they should be displayed. It's possible that the missing pieces may be in a box in storage. Suprisingly the stitching is still sound on both visors. I gave them a wooden woolen mill spool to get the helmet up off the visors, and they used it immediately. The liner is in equally spectacular condtion. (I feel like a dork in my forgetfullness & understandable excitement in not shooting the full interior for everyones viewing enjoyment. Sorry for that!) I can't believe I forgot to shoot the full liner! :( They have a mint loose National Kokarde which I placed on the helmet. Suprisingly they also have a minty Bavarian e.m. Kokarde, and a minty Prussian one as well. So where's the Hessian Kokarde? Not sure if they have it in a storage box or not, probably not...

I know of another one of these in a private home in a sleepy little town as well, also marked to the ?23rd or 24th dragoon reg't that I need to go back and finally close the transaction on. The other one was brought back by a red cross worker from early post WW2-German. The other one doesn't have any chinscales, or a date, but it is unit marked, and eskadron marked as well.

The lighting was incredibly poor where I shot this, and I couldn't find a mfg stamp inside the shell, it may be up under the inner supporting plate for the spike base.

I'll also post images of a killer Camo M-16 Helmet, and a Rare U.S. Experimental #5 Helmet in spectacular condition as well. Amazing what's hidden away in these sleepy institutions sometimes!

I hope everyone enjoys the pics!

All the Best,

Alan Schaefer

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Post by randy trawnik » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:45 pm

Wow what a wonderful find. Many Hessen helmets were brought back after WWII because Darmstadt was a major headquarters area for the US Army. All of the "woodwork" Hessen helmets that I have come from US Vets who found them in or around the Frankfurt and Darmstadt. Wonderful piece and beautifully marked. CONGRATS.....

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Post by Adler » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:21 am

Magnificent! Just needs a little TLC...

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Post by Peter_Suciu » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:42 am

I notice they have it marked as a "Russian Royal Helmet." Of course that's just plain wrong, but also wrong in the sense that even if the helmet were Russian, it would be "Russian IMPERIAL Helmet."

Yes, the small museums have some jems. But my thinking on that line is that the small museums have less in storage. A larger museum wouldn't have the helmets out, as they have something else out, and a ton of stuff in storage.

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Post by Opas Enkel » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:21 pm

Maybe they thought there was no difference between Russia and Prussia..................

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Post by 911car » Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:27 pm

Congratulations Alan, a rare and nice helmet indeed! I have the officer version but I have not yet found the em hessian Dragoner helmet...
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Post by poniatowski » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:40 pm

Super! Congrats. I hope you can get it. I've never been able to get anything from museums, but that's me.


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Post by badener » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:15 pm

Nice haube. I wasnt aware that we could loot museums! :lol:
It must be a Bavarian. They always smell the worst!

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Post by joerookery » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:07 pm

Super nice helmet and super nice markings . . . Hint hint.
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Post by ww1czechlegion » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:17 pm

Thanks everyone, I hope that I'm lucky enough to aquire this piece!

And yes, Joe, you can certainly use the images of the unit markings.

I've had very limited sucess w/museums, and it all depends upon who owns them. State and military base museums are usually a "no go". I've had more sucess w/county level, and with private town museums. It all depends if they need money or not. Even if they do need money, most don't care about it.

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Post by b.loree » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:01 am

Hmmmm...Gus time for us to fire up that old truck of yours and head for..Idaho/Iowa (caint be much difference) as both start with I! Surely we could track this sucker down. Caint be too many moooseeums with pointy hats on their shelves! Good luck on your quest for this "Grail" Alan! Brian
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Post by J.LeBrasseur » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:19 am

Alan- you are on fire lately, hope this one works out!

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Post by Maple Creek » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:10 pm

randy trawnik wrote:Wow what a wonderful find. Many Hessen helmets were brought back after WWII because Darmstadt was a major headquarters area for the US Army. All of the "woodwork" Hessen helmets that I have come from US Vets who found them in or around the Frankfurt and Darmstadt. Wonderful piece and beautifully marked. CONGRATS.....
Interesting... The "out-of-the woodwork" Hessian 115th helmet I found was brough back by a US WWII vet from Germany, but I don't know where exactly.
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Post by 911car » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:51 am

Here is the officer version, Alan:
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Post by b.loree » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:54 pm

Wow!! That says it all. Sweet helme.
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