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Garde Grey Shako , Reserve, Bav and Garde EM Brass For Sale

Post by pickelhauben » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:22 pm

Hey Guys,

Things are slow again so I need to sale some stuff to pay the bills .

I have a wartime Garde shako a Bavarian Reserve and nice Garde pickehaube with 1655 bandau.
Add shipping to all priceses.

Gray Garde Shako

Very nice shape I did not want to take the original LEATHER WEDGES OFF BECAUSE THEY WILL PROBABLY TEAR APART .
Nno extra holes
The field badge has 2 moth holes and is questionable
original riech cocarde
C/S is old but questionable.

$850

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95 Reserve
All original marked but hard to see ALL ORIGINAL COCARDES AND CS
Plate does have 2 holes on the tail feathers
$650
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1655 Greniadier SOLD !!
Very nice .

The loops on back of plate have been relocated but the plate has been on the helm forever .
All original with EM removable spike
$1,650

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Brass Bav EM

All original No Bav cocarde
Original riveted and sewn CS
$750
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Post by pickelhauben » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:26 pm

CS for the Bavarian

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Post by Amybellars » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:40 pm

Hi Matthew

Sent you email but it stayed in my outbox and refused to depart lol

Nice collection. The field Badge on garde shako looks wrong on material so would appreciate pics of the back of the field Badge.

95 reserve - Reserve cross doesn't seem correct. Sorry guys correct me if I am wrong. To me if the centre has the four holes punched out, the cross is usually pressed onto it without the prongs.
Your 1655 garde-with the KBAG stamping, does it fix a garde plate with silver star burst?
Unique chinstrap on the bavarian, they are either sewn or riveted and never both, why would the German do it both?

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Post by pickelhauben » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 am

I have a pic of the back of the field badge already. I tried to pull it out but the helmet is holding it firm .
The reserve plate is how I got it
The 1655 plate has been on the helmet for a long time causing marks on the helmet
The chin strap is definatly unique , that is the reason I took pics of it . That being said perhaps the CS is rare and worth more than the helmet !!!

These will go on ebay .
I put them up so members can have first dibs.

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Post by argonne » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:51 am

Amybellars wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:40 pm

95 reserve - Reserve cross doesn't seem correct. Sorry guys correct me if I am wrong. To me if the centre has the four holes punched out, the cross is usually pressed onto it without the prongs.
I agree. JR46 and RJR46 were prussian units of the V AK (Silesian) and for the units in this AK, the Reserve Cross always had the word KOENIG and never FUERST...And such FUERST Reserve crosses were never fixed on the eagles chest [-X Always on the eagles legs!
It seems that this eagle wore another reserve cross on the bottom (two holes in the eagles legs).
I do not believe that this eagle is belonging to this helmet. I am thinking this was a Reserve plate for a small duchy with a special Wappen in the middle of the eagle and a Fürst Reserve cross under this Wappen. Exactly like this example in my collection, a JR94 /RJR94 helmet:

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Such standard prussian reserve eagles without scroll were used, with already 4 punched out holes but without solder in them (no need for such small duchies reserve units to solder a KOENIG Reserve cross on the chest), because the two screws of the duchy wappen had to be fixed individually through enlargment of one of these holes or / and even through additional hole, so the wappen is sitting perfectly in the middle of the eagle. The FUERST Reserve cross was then fixed at the bottom through two small holes, just like this.

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I unfortunately see some other red flags on the other helmets too 8-[

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Post by pickelhauben » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:15 am

Well I tell you guys.
These helmets are up for sale not up to be critiqued .
They are what they are .
All in great shape .
Also the reserve helmet I am selling as a reserve .
If the plate belongs on a smaller state helmet that means it is a rare plate and that is a bonus.
I am not trying to hide anything the pictures tell all.

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Post by Amybellars » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:37 am

Matthew, chill out mate. We are just learning from each other through pictures of haubes.
As what you have said, we did discover a bonus for you which is that rare reserve plate.
Sometimes we have no intention to hide anything but we may not be correct in our description, so sharing and learning from each other is the best way to acquire knowledge.
Sorry to have you feel upset about it.

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Post by argonne » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:12 am

Well argumented critique has always been the best way to learn.
Each of us already made mistakes by purchasing a helmet.
It´s legit to praise a good untouched helmet and it´s also fair and normal to criticize some "problems". That´s the way it goes on a forum where we have to learn and help each other.
It would be hypocrite to praise something wrong and not fair to remain silent...
Only my two cents.

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Post by pickelhauben » Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:51 pm

All sold.

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Post by Amybellars » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:20 pm

Congratulations to all your sales on eBay.

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Post by pickelhauben » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:17 pm

I sold my reserve helmet on ebay for around $480 to a guy in France .
He changed the plate to a standard reserve and it sold on the French ebay for over $800.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tipped-helmet- ... true&rt=nc
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Post by 911car » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:17 pm

pickelhauben wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:17 pm
I sold my reserve helmet on ebay for around $480 to a guy in France .
He changed the plate to a standard reserve and it sold on the French ebay for over $850.
Ha Ha! I know him well...

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Post by Amybellars » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:24 am

Yap he is a knowledgeable and reputable seller who has gained good reputation on eBay.

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Post by LangeKerl » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:15 am

This is exactly why I tell folks to not buy on eBay unless they know exactly what they are doing. And we know most why buy there do not know what they are doing.

"I am not trying to hide anything the pictures tell all."

That is a despicable statement! If you know something is wrong with an item, and if you don't mention it, then you are trying to hide something. Expecting someone to tell from the photos what is wrong when they don't have the skill set is disingenuous. That is what all the fraudsters do on eBay.

Something up for sale on any forum should be challenged by ALL when there is something wrong. To get pissy about it reflects poor character.

The fact that this forum tolerates this conduct does not speak well for the forum. On WAF I have kicked off dozens of folks for this behaviour.

I guess that is why this forum is where it is right now...

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Post by argonne » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:36 am

911car wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:17 pm
pickelhauben wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:17 pm
I sold my reserve helmet on ebay for around $480 to a guy in France .
He changed the plate to a standard reserve and it sold on the French ebay for over $850.
Ha Ha! I know him well...
So do I :D :-({|= =;

I saw this helmet on ebay.fr again too and that the new seller changed the Wappen. I decided to take contact with him via ebay because he wrote:" helmets which were directly dispatched in a reserve unit are very rare"...That is a true thing, such helmets are scarce, as those which were directly dispatched in a Landwehr unit, but in this special case, he omitted to take a pict of the white "R46" active unit stamp placed in the shell, just where the back trim is fixed :-({|= This pict would have shown too, that the fixation of back trim was broken :?
However, I must say he actualised his auction...But always beware of this seller....

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Post by argonne » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:41 am

LangeKerl wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:15 am


Something up for sale on any forum should be challenged by ALL when there is something wrong.
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Post by 911car » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:54 am

Amybellars wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:24 am
Yap he is a knowledgeable and reputable seller who has gained good reputation on eBay.
Second degree humor from Amy?..

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Post by Amybellars » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:24 pm

911car wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:54 am
Amybellars wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:24 am
Yap he is a knowledgeable and reputable seller who has gained good reputation on eBay.
Second degree humor from Amy?..
More like third degree Lol
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Post by b.loree » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:36 pm

LangeK your WAF is well known for its "hissy fits" amongst members and I don't need that kind of crap here. Your comment is ironic at best, when you post here that WAF is in disarray because of a lack of attention on behalf of its owner. So save your shit comments for the WAF. If you, or anyone else on the membership list has a problem with how this forum operates feel free to leave...F..k off! I have better things to do in my life than go after sleazy sellers or deal with the complaints of disgruntled buyers. The simplest solution is to remove the For Sale area and that I will gladly do. This is the second incidence of sly comments about how this forum is run. If you don't like it here, spare me your BS, I will gladly delete you or you can let your membership lapse. I could care less, I do not take shit from anyone, never have and never will. I will be at the SOS in 2020 if anyone has a problem with any of the above.
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Post by ottodog8 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:51 pm

LangeKerl wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:15 am
This is exactly why I tell folks to not buy on eBay unless they know exactly what they are doing. And we know most why buy there do not know what they are doing.

"I am not trying to hide anything the pictures tell all."

That is a despicable statement! If you know something is wrong with an item, and if you don't mention it, then you are trying to hide something. Expecting someone to tell from the photos what is wrong when they don't have the skill set is disingenuous. That is what all the fraudsters do on eBay.

Something up for sale on any forum should be challenged by ALL when there is something wrong. To get pissy about it reflects poor character.

The fact that this forum tolerates this conduct does not speak well for the forum. On WAF I have kicked off dozens of folks for this behaviour.

I guess that is why this forum is where it is right now...

Oh? And where is the WAF right now? Shall we talk about the champagne runes cover up? I’ve seen more favoritism, ego stroking and butt kissing on the WAF than on any other forum. Maybe you can tell us what happened to the guy who had the temerity to question the champagne runes long before they were proven to be fakes? He was hounded and humiliated by the “experts” and their sycophantic supporters.

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Post by coert65 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:32 am

Wow Brian, you are really angry about this, and I fully understand that.
About how this forum is run and managed I have nothing but praise for it. When I joined, and posted my Hauben I bought, I got nothing else but good advice, and tips about things that were not correct on them.
And there were things I just missed, or had not enough knowledge about. These comments were always good, and never posted in a wrong way.
I am a member on other forums, where things like that are usual, the pissy comments you talk about.
I usually just read on when I see those, but also don't approve it, just like you do.

Even after having to sell most of my collection due to mishaps in life, which can happen, I still visit this forum each day, and really enjoy it.
I will get back collecting Haubes again, just keep up the good work!
But please don't close the for-sale section, as I will be looking for nice Haubes there.
In fact I am considering the Hessian M15 for sale there. :)

Keep up the good work, and thank you for this forum, thanks to the members too, for helping me with good advice and positive remarks. :thumb up:

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Post by Amybellars » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:32 am

Brian, I understand how your feel.
I know I have been making some complaints about my purchases but it's never targeted at you. In fact, you have extended your help which I have never expected you to do so.
I really appreciate how your forum runs and having a group of very helpful people.
I don't know why Lange compared pickelhaubes.com with WAF but I read his post again and honestly I think he is targeting at seller of the helmet who did not describe the item by disclosing full details. His intention was to tell members to address concerns in a more abrupt manner than adopting the soft approach. (I think)
For your sale section, please don't close it. It's a place where we see nice haubes for sale. Of cos for sellers, they may want to get the best price without giving partial sales proceeds to eBay. Some members do need money due to mishaps and your For Sale section acts as a useful tool for them to raise the money they needed. So you are indirectly helping people who needs help.
Brian, trust me to tell you that you have the best forum for haubes and this fact was discussed and agreed in other forums.
Keep up the good work Brian!

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Post by argonne » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:44 am

A forum is running a little bit like the real life, and real life is never only bright and shiny.

The most important thing is always to be polite and respect the other members. But that does not include to remain silent when things are sometimes obviously running wrong, especially when some descriptions of items are not correct. Never forget, we all are here to learn, to discuss and to share. And it´s never easy or self-evidently.

I am convinced, that is our duty to honestly tell the truth when we see such "errors", especially when there is a risk that some other fellow collectors can be fooled.
Critic is the best way to go further and to learn more, whe all have to endure it, it is never a shame when it is founded!!! And not a reason to leave a forum.

I am member on a french forum too. The discussion is sometimes a bit rough there, but mostly with arguments which are sharp like a knife and based on mutually comparaison and experience. Always stay objective!

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Post by b.loree » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:31 pm

Thanks for the supportive comments everyone. I have a vicious temper which I keep in check most of the time, my apologies for cursing but my sentiments remain the same. If you do not like it here do yourself a favour and leave.
As you all know I am a perfectionist and give 100% in everything I do which includes this forum. I take pride in the fact that in all the years that this has run we have only had one significant spat amongst members. I expect everyone here to behave as adults who share a common interest and that is what I always try to do. I have been corrected many times here by members for incorrect statements, missed observations etc. I don't get pissed off, I don't whine or snivel, I welcome constructive criticism and so should we all. If descriptions in the For Sale section or in any other area are wrong, speak up and express your opinion. I have absolutely no problem with that. Consistent fakers or con artists will be banned just let me know. At the same time, the Forum accepts no responsibility for items sold here. It is BUYER BEWARE! that is the way it has to be. Let's put this behind us and get on with collecting.
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=D> good to hear from the happy Brian again

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Post by pickelhauben » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:13 am

Wow what a fire storm .
I have been gone a week and come back to see all of this.
Not sure why tempers flaired but maybe people should read things before they get bent.
This is what I posted for the helm in question and I started bids at $150 that is $100 cheaper than what the chinstrap was worth alone.

All Original Prussian Reserve EM pickelhaube
The helmet comes with all original parts including chin strap
Helmet is tight and in very good condition with full liner.
Helmet is well marked with no extra holes
Front visor trim has a split ON THE BACK SIDE NOT NOTICABLE ON THE FRONT
Eagle plate has 2 holes on the tail feathers and I have been told that this is a rare plate

I will no longer put helms up for sale on this forum.
If I have to, I will put all my sales on ebay at a reasonable starting price.
If you want bid fine , if not go to the next auction.
The French dealer knew what he was buying and with a switched plate made a sizeable profit.
Me , I took a loss.

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Post by argonne » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:15 am

pickelhauben wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:13 am

Eagle plate has 2 holes on the tail feathers and I have been told that this is a rare plate
Yes indeed, this plate would have been rare if it would have been complete, with star, center and the appropriated reserve cross (Fuerst) still fixed on the 2 holes on the tail feathers, I think about 500-700 Euro.
But such a "nude" plate just has a poor value, not more than 50-100 Euro...

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